Trump versus everyone explodes

From the AFR:

Donald Trump’s efforts to use Taiwan as a bargaining chip in relations with China have met with fierce resistance from Beijing, which said on Monday it didn’t negotiate over matters of sovereignty.

The curt but measured response came after the President-elect questioned whether he should adhere to the “one China policy” if Beijing didn’t give ground on trade and North Korea.

In its regular press briefing, a spokesman for China’s Foreign Minister said they were “deeply concerned” by Mr Trump’s comments.

The “one China” policy is the bedrock of China’s relations with the US and other countries, including Australia.

It stipulates that there is “one China” and therefore countries which have formal diplomatic relations with Beijing, don’t officially recognise Taiwan.

“The one-China policy is the political foundation for the healthy development of the Sino-US relationship,” said the spokesman Geng Shuang.

He said the issue of Taiwan involved China’s territorial integrity and sovereignty and was part of its “core interests”.

“If this foundation is disturbed, there are no grounds to talk about further developing the healthy and stable relationship in important areas between China and the US.”

Cripes! Meanwhile, on Russia, some of Trump’s own Republicans are turning, via the FT:

The US Senate’s top Republican has backed an investigation into allegations that the Kremlin engaged in a hacking campaign to influence November’s presidential elections in the most serious break yet between the president-elect Donald Trump and his party’s traditional leaders in Washington.

Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, said that Congress would probe the allegations following the disclosure of a Central Intelligence Agency report which concluded that Russia had hacked into Democratic National Committee servers in an effort to sway the election outcome in Mr Trump’s favour.

The president-elect, who has repeatedly dismissed claims of Russian interference and belittled the CIA after its conclusions became public, took to Twitter on Monday to insist it was “hard to determine who was doing the hacking”.

“Can you imagine if the election results were the opposite and WE tried to play the Russia/CIA card,” Mr Trump wrote. “It would be called conspiracy theory!”

Until now, many Republican leaders on Capitol Hill who openly broke with Mr Trump during the presidential campaign have fallen into line behind their newly elected standard-bearer. After the initial CIA disclosure on Friday, Republicans John McCain and Lindsey Graham joined Democratic colleagues to call for a bipartisan inquiry, but both have long been seen as party mavericks.

Quite frankly, it’s all too early to know on any subject. Gideon Rachman sums up just how much is at stake:

Russia: Both Mr Trump’s rhetoric and his early appointments indicate a strong desire for a rapprochement with Russia. The Kremlin clearly hopes that the US will lift the economic sanctions imposed on Russia after its annexation of Crimea. Mr Trump could also make common cause with Vladimir Putin in Syria, by dropping America’s insistence on the removal of Bashar al-Assad.

Europe: While Mr Trump has been extravagant in his praise of Mr Putin, he has been open in his contempt for Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, describing her refugee policies as “insane”. There is now fear in the French and German governments that Mr Trump may seek to help the European far-right by supporting Marine Le Pen in the French presidential elections in May, or the Alternative for Germany in the country’s elections in September.

Iran: Reversing US policy on Iran would be much easier for Mr Trump. Republicans in Congress share his disdain for Barack Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. Some of Mr Trump’s key appointees — including General Michael Flynn, his national security adviser — are particularly noted for their hostility towards Iran. Ripping up the nuclear deal could put the US on the road to a war with Iran.

The Middle East and terrorism: Beyond Iran, the new president will face a series of conflicts, from Syria to Iraq and Afghanistan. Mr Trump has consistently advocated a much more ferocious approach to the war on “radical Islamic terrorism”. But his advisers disagree about what that might mean.

China: Over the long run, the most important international issue facing the US is how to handle the rise of China. Mr Trump’s early moves have signalled the possibility of a radical change in America’s approach — and a sharp rise in tensions with Beijing. Mr Trump has talked of imposing punitive tariffs on Chinese exports. His phone call with President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan reversed decades of US foreign policy — and was a direct affront to Beijing.

Mr Trump has also endorsed significant expansion in the US Navy, which could signal a more aggressive American rejection of Beijing’s ambitions in the South China Sea. If there is a broader strategic thrust to Mr Trump’s thinking, it could be to split the informal alliance between Russia and China and instead form a Washington-Moscow axis.

Pretty much everything. It terms of local responses, leading us off is the Yuhu clique, via the AFR:

China-Australian businessman Huang Xiangmo, who has strong links to the Chinese embassy and paid a personal bill of Labor senator Sam Dastyari, has warned Australia will be “slaughtered” like a sheep if it does not build relations with Beijing in a post-Trump world.

The comments come as Donald Trump suggested his future US government would consider walking away from the “One China policy” or using it as bargaining chip over their currency and trade – a move likely to antagonise Beijing.

The comments published in an opinion piece on a Mandarin-language website said Mr Trump’s controversial call with Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen signalled the US President-elect may continue to “intensify the inflammatory situation in Asia”.

“We should be aware of the uncertainties that Trump brings to Asia and protect Australia’s national interest when we are confronting these uncertainties,” Mr Huang wrote.

Mr Huang then said if US President-elect Donald Trump followed through with his protectionist program, unconventional diplomacy and with cutting military assistance to Japan, Australia could be threatened and become the next “lamb to the slaughter”.

He said Australia should avoid this by strengthening ties with China and being a “bridge” between Washington and Beijing.

“Australia should avoid walking up to the slaughter stand, and most importantly we should promote Australia-China-US trilateral relations.

Despite the rhetoric, pretty reasonable comments, actually.

And officially, Do-nothing Malcolm has dispatched the high level delegation to Mr Trump that matters most, via Domainfax:

Australia’s immigration chief has conducted a secret visit to the United States to reach out to Donald Trump officials and spruik a refugee deal Malcolm Turnbull struck with outgoing President Barack Obama.

Department of Immigration and Border Protection secretary Michael Pezzullo and other senior bureaucrats have in recent weeks engaged in a series of high-level meetings with figures connected to President-elect Trump, and with officials from the Department of Homeland Security, to discuss operational details of the deal.

Fairfax Media has learned that Mr Pezzullo was in the United States to offer detailed briefings on President Obama’s offer to take an undisclosed number of refugees from Manus Island and Nauru, and provide broader context about Operation Sovereign Borders, the tough border protection policy introduced under Tony Abbott.

The meetings have been designed to assuage Republican concerns about the deal and ensure it holds after President-elect Trump is inaugurated in late January. There were fears in Australia that Mr Trump – who made a hardline approach to immigration one of the hallmarks of his election campaign – could tear up the agreement, which the Turnbull government had spent the better part of this year securing.

Let’s hope that saner heads prevail as Trump shakes things up because if it turns nasty the current pack of Canberra muppets are hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with it.

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  1. Canberra already lost, over a decade ago. Whereas Africa and South America used Chinese money to build infrastructure that they use to ship their products to whoever, Australia used it to….

    Then came all Trump shit talk for no other reason than double down on Clinton, so good luck with that, because what need for Australia does China have if the US cuts us loose? None.

    “was in the United States to offer detailed briefings on President Obama’s offer to take an undisclosed number of refugees from Manus Island and Nauru, and provide broader context about Operation Sovereign Borders” Bwaahaahaaahaahaa yeah I can see Trump accepting all the Muslims we won’t! Australia is so retarded

    • Actually, he is a true iconoclast – attacking bested interests left right and centre – this is interesting Defense experts warn of ‘disaster’ for Britain after Donald Trump suggests undoing ‘out of control’ F-35 fighter jet program (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/12/donald-trump-pledges-cut-military-budget-criticising-control/)…

      Everyone thinks these are all untouchables – but Trump asks the question “Why” or “Why not…” thats what entrepreneurs do – they ask the question?

      Why does China have to control Taiwan? Why are we so upset over Tibet and yet Taiwan is OK to be a colony against its will?

      Why do I have to pay for a several billion dollar Airforce One??

      Why do we need jet aircraft costing hundreds of millions each, when in the large conflict we would never be able to build enough to fight with???

      Did Russia hack? Show me the evidence???

      Everyone of these questions serves vested interests. American have elected a guy who asks the question why?? And his team is pretty formidable. Yeah simplistically they seem all very successful – and they are, but none are insiders. All will be given a task to break the machine down and rebuild.

      As crazy as this sounds – I think this is a good move!!!

      • The JSF was chosen over better planes because it’s suppose to be CHEAPER!! When Trump starts holding those who allow the cost overrun accountable, it will have a cascading effect on all Western government. The whole notion of ‘cost plus’, where a government signs a contract for a fixed cost then ends up paying double, have got to stop.

      • Is the earth warming?
        Show me the evidence?????

        “Thousands of flights were delayed and hundreds canceled for a second day. Detroit Metropolitan Airport was functioning near normally one day after a Delta Air Lines MD-80 jet arriving from Buffalo slid into the grass. The FAA listed snow, ice and “braking action” as causes. No passengers or crew members were injured”

        Thing is Research Australia is now one of the least dynamic societies in history – any sudden jolts will collapse the ponzi and everybody firmly sat in place. Sure, you always say the sun still shines, but another 10 years of this stagnation and all that sunshine will just expose the carcass

      • Not going there Mig – the world is always warming or cooling, and it would be folly to suggest that man does not have an impact. But…

      • “but none are insiders”.

        They’re *all* insiders. Every last one of them. How many one-percenters and Wall St execs does he need to hire? FFS.

      • I can guarantee you that as the earth gets warmer you don’t see record snow falls… And humans have about as much effect on the thousands of meters of air column above us as an ant does the air quality in your bedroom. Near zero. Lorax is just a moron who’s a member of the cult of leftism

      • FFS none of them are Clinton owned Washington swamp rats – and that’s good enough for me. Just watch that slimy neocon moron Graham claim “Trump is not my President, because Russia”

        Bye bye Lindsay you effeminate war monger

      • I am sure Trump’s beefs will all be sorted out on the golf course with a couple of golden handshakes.

        The F-35s will now be coated in brass, with Trump branding. All pilots will have his best-selling book “The Art of the Deal” included in their training packs.

      • yeah I also thought the Swiss would break the peg, that Brexit would happen , that the pound would crash and that Ameeicans hated the status qou enough to turf them and Bitcoin was cheap at $260.

        What did you get right?

      • “I can guarantee you that as the earth gets warmer you don’t see record snow falls… And humans have about as much effect on the thousands of meters of air column above us as an ant does the air quality in your bedroom.”

        Extraordinary arrogance or stupidity or both.

        The shifting polar vortex not only explains record snowfalls it was predicted, and is due to the climate change that Mig says doesn’t exist.
        http://www.sciencealert.com/satellite-data-shows-the-polar-vortex-is-shifting

      • “I can guarantee you that as the earth gets warmer you don’t see record snow falls…”

        Simplistic Bullshit – in some places you will see record snow falls .. this comment just shows that you don’t understand what you are talking about at all …

      • Wiley, any US politician that gives that question a scientifically correct answer is in a world of pain with evangelicals and Christians generally. Only those who openly oppose them to begin with would be confident the to say.

      • @RT: Why does China have to control Taiwan? Because Taiwan is strategically important (you can see the mainland from Taiwan on a clear day), is traditionally a part of China, and is governed by the descendants of people who literally fought with the current govt of China and never surrendered. Kind of like how Cuba and America kept their spat going long after the USSR collapsed.

        Tibet was subjugated militarily, and persecution occurred in order to burn out all the old power structures. This is an ugly, painful process so its no wonder it earns sympathy. Compare that with Taiwan which has a high standard of living, lots of freedoms (include a democratic electoral process) and generally first world way of life. Getting upset that Taiwan is a de-facto part of China while ignoring that Tasmania is a defacto part of Australia seems pretty short sighted. Have a look at how far Tasmania is from Aus mainland vs Taiwan.

        Americans are the ones paying for air force one, and the purpose of AF1 is mostly psychological. The coup in Turkey failed for a variety of reasons (inc the fact it may have been a puppet thing), but key to its failure was the failure to seize or destroy Erdogan. The US president is so hard to assassinate or silence, even as he travels the world. This deters enemies from picking a fight (they cant cut the head off right before an attack) and reassures the American people that their democracy is really hard to bring down.

        Most of the cost of the JSF is in development and research. Im no fan of them either, but technology is crucial in modern warfare. The more advanced it gets, the more incremental the gains and the more expensive to attain them. Its true that you could probably make do with inferior tech, but it comes at the cost of humans. The cost issues are more to do with pork barrelling, mismanagement, design by committee and other administrative overheads that will exist no matter what the project unless the root cause is addressed. In war time, many of those root causes would be addressed- aggressively.

        Russia may have hacked, but the US may not want to reveal its own capabilities just to prove the point. That a hack occurred is undeniable. That a hack only targetted DNC is undeniable. Citizens should be very wary of this kind of intrusion into the democratic process.

        Asking ‘Why’ is all well and good, but they dont need to be asked publicly. Think of all the social etiquette in your life, and what you’d think of a guy who shows up to a dinner or whatever and keeps asking “Why do we wear ties? They’re not functional”, “why do we lower our voices during speeches?” and so on. Perfectly valid questions, but neither the time, nor the place.

        @Mig: RE: Global warming causing cooling. Its a thing, thats why it was called “Climate change”. There is plenty of info out there that you won’t read which explains the processes. Changing temperatures can lead to air masses being dislodged from their usual (colder) place, leading to temperature drops where this occurs. Global warming is about an overall trend. So that cold air comes down, freezes people but is itself being warmed. If you are truly open to understanding global warming alarmism, the best way would be for you to look at this picture: https://xkcd.com/1732/ If you’ve ever heated steel and heated aluminium you should understand that temperature changes are slower through thicker, denser materials. Our oceans are the steel. They’ve been absorbing heat energy for over 100 years. Even if we stopped heating tomorrow, the oceans will keep releasing heat for a long time yet. The thing scientists are worried about is the turning point at which there is so much heat coming out of the ocean that few living on land will be able to adapt in time. It wont wipe humanity out, but it’ll be a calamity which could push us into conflicts that will.

      • How a discussion on Trump got onto the validity of climate science is beyond me.
        Yay, the internet!

        If anyone is actually interested in the science side of things here is a presentation about the measuring of glacier melts using gravity measurements taken from space.
        http://www.slideshare.net/chrisharig/measuring-ice-mass-loss-from-melting-ice-sheets-60831081

        Why use gravity measurements? As most would know gravity and mass are entwined. The mass at a point on the earth’s surface can change over time. Examples include the melting/forming of ice, or if there is a massive event like an earthquake. So we can use the satellite measurements to get a reasonably accurate picture of whether the ice is melting or forming in the Arctic and Antarctic.

        For the time span of the satellite mission it has been melting.
        (Lots of pretty pictures from page 27 onwards)

      • ex-sales rep Belamys

        Good question RT – Why does China have to control Taiwan?
        It seems the China ‘control thing’ is an unresolved carry-over FUBAR between China and the USA.
        It could be fixed by Treaty, logically with the Taiwanese having the biggest say – not China or the USA.

        From the perspective of some in Taiwan:
        “Taiwan does not belong to China, nor is it an independent entity. Taiwan is an occupied territory of the United States of America. Does this mean that Taiwan belongs to the United States? The answer is No. Taiwan’s legal status is a type of quasi USA trusteeship under military government within the U.S. insular law framework.”
        http://www.twclarify.com/taiwan/pages/oneChina/
        Similar argument here: http://www.civil-taiwan.org/one-china.htm

        From PRC President Xi Jingping address to Aust Parliament 2014:
        “. . China is a large country of over 1.3 billion people. It is like the big guy in the crowd. Others” [Bellamys?] “naturally wonder how the big guy will move and act, and they may be concerned that the big guy may push them around, stand in their way or even take up their place.”
        http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F35c9c2cf-9347-4a82-be89-20df5f76529b%2F0005%22

        Understand the lay of the land. China is, by default, set to trample mode.
        That used to be the MO of the West.
        Then it exported most jobs to China and subsequently lost its power to be self-sufficient.
        Now the West is back-pedaling on an imported bicycle.
        Funny that a real estate celebrity named Donald is the one is pushing back against China.
        Even funnier he is pushing back on the elements of Western status quo – CIA, military complex, Boeing.
        If only we could engage his services to destroy the MSM completely, that’d be a start.

      • “That a hack occurred is undeniable.”

        It is deniable. It is more likely to be a leak. A leak is not a hack.

        “That a hack only targetted DNC is undeniable”

        Well **leaks** are targeted.

      • footsore,

        Just go to Anchorage (Alaska) and you can see the effect of glacier melt over the last 30 yrs first hand.

      • “All pilots will have his best-selling book “The Art of the Deal” included in their training packs.”

        My style of deal-making is quite simple and straightforward. I am very high, and then I just keep pushing and pushing and pushing to get what I’m after. Sometimes I settle for less than I sought, but in most cases I still end up with what I want. – Donald Trump, The Art of the Deal.

      • “I am sure Trump’s beefs will all be sorted out on the golf course with a couple of golden handshakes.

        The F-35s will now be coated in brass, with Trump branding. All pilots will have his best-selling book “The Art of the Deal” included in their training packs.”

        “Much as it pays to emphasize the positive, there are times when the only choice is confrontation. In most cases I’m very easy to get along with. I’m good to people who are good to me. But when people treat me badly or unfairly or try to take advantage of me, my general attitude, all my life, has been to fight back very hard. The risk is that you’ll make a bad situation worse, and I certainly don’t recommend this approach to everyone. But my experience is that if you’re fighting for something you believe in – even if it means alienating some people along the way – things usually work out for the best in the end” – Donald Trump, The Art of the Deal.

      • @Rusty Penny – leaks are generally documents or the like passed over to the media. This is possible because many hands touch the document (reasonably).

        What was ‘leaked’ was email databases. Those don’t get passed around. The only individuals who have access to a person’s email db are admins and the email owner themselves. There is no way the DNC wanted that stuff leaked, so we can rule out the email owner.

        If you honestly think any email admin engaged by a political party (of the duopoly) to store its emails would ever ‘leak’ data under its control, then you’re not engaging in good faith assessment of the facts. Not only would it be obvious who did it, not only would you be pissing off one of the most connected and powerful entities on the planet, but even if you managed to evade any legal repercussions it would only be via claiming it was a hack. Of a system you were in charge of. Ie you’d absolutely sabotage your entire career or business (or both) just trying to escape consequences.

        There are people out there who would be happy to do that. Zealots or the well funded who don’t need to worry about where their next meal comes from. Neither would make it past a cursory look at their circumstances.

        It wasn’t a leak. I don’t know for sure that it was a state actor, but it sure as shit was not simply handed over.

      • “What was ‘leaked’ was email databases. Those don’t get passed around. The only individuals who have access to a person’s email db are admins and the email owner themselves.”

        … or delegates….

        .. or some person walking to the server (in an unsecured room) with a thumb drive ….

        … or people who found their hands on back up media ……

        … or ……

        nah, let’s just blame the “Russians”.

        “There is no way the DNC wanted that stuff leaked, so we can rule out the email owner.”

        It says so much that “The DNC did not want the public to know the nature of the contents”, and we have this switch and bait to detract from the nature of the contents….nor the media spending much time discussing the nature of the contents…

        however…

        “If you honestly think any email admin engaged by a political party (of the duopoly) to store its emails would ever ‘leak’ data under its control, then you’re not engaging in good faith assessment of the facts.”

        Bad faith is “Well I don’t think it’s the email admin, so it must automatically be the Russians !!!”.

        “Not only would it be obvious who did it, not only would you be pissing off one of the most connected and powerful entities on the planet, but even if you managed to evade any legal repercussions it would only be via claiming it was a hack. Of a system you were in charge of. Ie you’d absolutely sabotage your entire career or business (or both) just trying to escape consequences.”

        or, it could be someone who is more idealistic, such as someone who had pro-Bernie leanings and wanted to expose light the the corrupt ways of the DNC, as to reform the DNC..

        “There are people out there who would be happy to do that. Zealots or the well funded who don’t need to worry about where their next meal comes from. Neither would make it past a cursory look at their circumstances.

        It wasn’t a leak. I don’t know for sure that it was a state actor, but it sure as shit was not simply handed over.”

        Yeah.. sure thing.

      • The half life of U238 is roughly 4.5 Billion yrs, the half life of Th232 is roughly 14 Billion years, both decay to stable lead (Pb). The age of the universe can be estimated from the time to decay of these extremely long lived isotopes and their decay chains.
        Its not rocket science but it is physics.

    • Hi Mig,
      you present yourself as very well informed, with degrees in engineering – the problem is every – single – time you sprout your mouth of someone who really does have degrees in science smacks you down hard with the most basic, rudimentary, elementary science.

      From Mig

      I can guarantee you that as the earth gets warmer you don’t see record snow falls

      That’s a GUARANTEE from a self anointed “science” expert. Except all it proves is that you do not have a single clue about what you are talking about – and that is fact, evidenced by the above statement.

      You REPEATEDLY make these astonishing assertions – and yet you are repeatedly shown by vastly better minds to be completely wrong, and in general, a fool. It is surprising just how passionate you are about things when you are so wrong. It surprises me because either you know you are wrong and just constantly trolling, which I doubt (although the above statement is one of the DUMBEST things I have ever read and it is hard to accept someone would actually believe it), or you are not trolling and genuinely believe you are remotely intelligent, in which case you have some sort of cognitive problem which needs addressing.

      Anyway.

      Snow fall is drastically reduced at lower temperatures, as temperature increases snow falls will increase (hence massive dumps at the start and end of ski seasons). The reason for this is two fold.

      The lower temps reduce the moisture carrying capacity of the air, drastically reducing the amount of snow produced. Secondly the low temperatures reduce the uplift required from hot air which actually causes the precipitation and the subsequent snow event.

      So, basically – you have absolutely ZERO idea on the subject.

      And while we are at it – we have known for well over 30 years that global warming would result in increases in snow fall – particularly in Antarctica. I was at a science conference in the 1980’s when this was presented.

      God you talk an unending stream of unmitigated bullshit.

      Again, as ALWAYS, you are wrong. One day you might borrow a set of keys and have a good long sit in the room of mirrors, you certainly need it.

      • And its Darwin Award appreciation day….

        Disheveled…. file under wing nut philosophy [actually corporatism propaganda that got out of control] trumps evidence base methodology…. hay look maw no need for a functioning model of time or space…. wheeeeeeee

        PS. miffie and WW when RT has a more rational perspective wrt a global event, even with his fundamentalism in tow….. wow…. where does that leave you two…

      • “hay look maw no need for a functioning model of time or space…. wheeeeeeee” your stupidity knows no bounds – thermodynamics doesn’t care about your model of time or space, it’s heat and convection genius wanker douche

  2. Dammit. Just when I was getting used to being a cat made of paper, I now find I have to be a sheep ready for slaughter.
    Make up your mind China.
    PS. Get the fuck away from our territory in Antartica

    • So much supposition in the above article, leading to much hand-wringing and “reasonable” comparisons to lambs being slaughtered by openly corrupt CCP members.

      Since when would Trump cut the military alliance with Japan? Are we now supposed to believe that the CCP now totally has Australia’s national interests at heart? This shit is reddit-tier fake news and concern trolling, and MB does itself an immense disservice by giving it oxygen.

      • Cat A – 22WMR about the biggest bang for buck, but can get a B if needed. A browning like that would be C. Ah, hence the clay target/SSSA. Was looking at a Puma 22lr due to cheap ammo and quiet – haven’t seen a dog closer than 2km yet but saw some @ about 2.25km down the road, big, big scary looking things chasing some Angus.

        Cat A very cheap on PP or Cat A/B with RHVC.

        Must send you a vid I did testing some Oakley lenses with a .410. Very impressive.

    • this is super funny.

      (1) Paid journo’s usually put the best spin on the best pig. This suggests that the best quote came from the Yuhu group owner. It also suggests that all the other ‘Chinese’ businessman have even worse opinions in private that even the AFR could not put lipstick on.
      (2) ‘Slaughtered’ – next they will be calling for a jihad or something. If China’s most quotable representative in Australia is so silly as to speak like this publicly, we can assume that the rest are even stupider.

      If this bloke is what passes for leadership in the middle kingdom, lol.

      @ tony – Plus many.

      • Exactly they see Australia as becoming another Taiwan and they want to do it all with their pathetic soft power and phony money, if trump keeps trolling the Chinese they will eventually lose face so badly they will shit their business pants in public

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      Unfortunate word that …”slaughter”……..if some unemployed kid in south west Sydney from a Middle East background said that he would have 50 police in full military combat gear storming his house at 5 am in the morning and hauling him off on a “terrorist ” charge . This chap from China who seems so concerned for our “right thinking “in this country should perhaps at the very least have a quiet visit from ASIO and be asked to explain himself ….no ?

      • You clearly mean, “Excluding the United States with its $60 Trillion in printed money, China has the most out of control money creation on earth. A gold fixing is impossible.”

      • Kurt Gödel…

        Have you looked at the USA Z1 – ????? – btw don’t confuse stuff denoted in FRN as the same….

      • If your not aware….

        https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/Z1/Current/

        Money & Banking

        The following posts and textbook were written to provide alternative means to understand money and banking issues. While the post have been revised and edited somewhat relative to what was written in the spring, the textbook is a much better document. The textbook uses the posts but thoroughly edited and expanded them; everything is also formatted so that the material is easier to read.

        Throughout the material, the concept of balance sheet is central and used to analyze all the topics presented. Not only are balance sheets relevant to understand financial mechanics, but also they force an inquirer to fit a logical argument into double-entry accounting rules. This is crucial because if that cannot be done there is an error in the logical argument.

        The monetary and banking aspects and their relation to the macroeconomy are analyzed extensively in this material by relying on the literature that has been available for decades in non-mainstream journals, but that has been mostly ignored until recently. Gone is the money multiplier theory, gone in the financial intermediary theory of banks, gone is the idea that central bank control monetary aggregates, gone is the idea that finance is neutral in any range of time, and gone is the idea that nominal values are irrelevant. Preoccupations about monetary gains, solvency and liquidity are central to the dynamics of capitalism, and finance is not constrained by the amount of saving.

        The posts dealing with monetary systems are also much more developed than a typical textbook and integrated with the rest of the material. As such, the “money” chapter, usually first in M&B texts, only comes much later in the form of three chapters, once balance-sheet mechanics and financial concepts, such as present value, have been well understood. In addition, the link between macroeconomic topics and banking theory is fully established to analyze issue of inflation, economic growth, financial crisis, and financial interlinkages.

        http://neweconomicperspectives.org/money-banking

        disheveled…. you can learn how stuff works at an operational level or you can cling to the rubbish spewed over the last 50ish years by AET and Neoclassical ideologues that never learned or had an operational model or theory of the Monetary system nor fictional finance. More interested in prescriptive methodology…. than observational.

      • Hi Nikola, I know you are only joking but some readers may think that you need a huge amount of gold when the time comes to revalue gold, whereas you simply increase the price of gold to suit the money supply.

      • @athalone – I was not joking – but I was assuming to leave Gold at price levels where mortals can still buy a coin or two. Otherwise you are right push the price of gold to $4m per ounce and China can go back to gold standard.

    • As I’ve said here a few years ago: in 1980 China produced no gold so they organised a section of their Army Engineers to start looking for it.They are now the largest producers in the world with about 460 tonnes per year…Australia in second place with about 280 tonnes per year.
      From 1983 to 2003, it is thought that China may have hoarded about 25,000 tonnes(ref:James Turk, Alasdair Macleod)and in the intervening years a further 12,000 tonnes of gold.
      It is expected that China and Russia will organise future trade around the planet using gold trading bonds… hopefully before the present system of the US$ no longer redeemable in gold (i.e.fiat floating currencies) completely crashes.

      • have you read fofoa much? right up your alley. http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/

        backstory: there was originally a guy called aristotle who posted on the old kitco gold forums in the late 90’s. Many questions as to who he was, but he was replaced by a user who posted on aristotle’s behalf when he got too old. this guy was called ‘another’. then there was ‘friend of another’. about this time 2005? the kitco gold forums stopped being so active and it all went underground.

        ‘fofoa’ now runs the fofoa speakeasy. for my money, the best precious metals commentary out there. fair warning though, expect to read several 100k word+ posts…

      • I believe the first signs of currency wobbles are when the war on gold hots up. Both India and China have recently introduced ‘initiatives’ to make using gold as an alternative to fiat more difficult.

        This suggests to me that there is a developing currency crisis (of confidence) in those above mentioned jurisdictions.

  3. All of Trumps cabinet level appointments (except for Chief of staff) have to be confirmed by the senate. I think we will see that senate is not going to write Trump a blank cheque.

      • Sell before,

        wait and see how the (never encountered before in real life) constitutional crisis plays out

        Then buy the mother of all dips

      • they are really pushing the Russia thing. Even Obama changed from “he won” to paddling Russia Hackers. I might be wrong but I think CIA are still pushing for Clinton to take over and actually believe they can pull this off.

      • I see a CIA JFK solution occurring, a cleaner more efficient leadership change method. But yes a sell now and by later perhaps …

    • this is super funny.
      (1) Paid journo’s usually put the best spin on the best pig. This suggests that the best quote came from the Yuhu group owner. It also suggests that all the other ‘Chinese’ businessman have even worse opinions in private that even the AFR could not put lipstick on.
      (2) ‘Slaughtered’ – next they will be calling for a jihad or something. If China’s most quotable representative in Australia is so silly as to speak like this publicly, we can assume that the rest are even stupider.

      If this bloke is what passes for leadership in the middle kingdom, lol.

      @ tony – Plus many.

  4. Maybe we should have a Buy Our Dirt But Otherwise Leave Us Alone policy.

    Have you ever seen that thing down the pub where a drunk couple starts fighting then turns to an innocent party for arbitration and then the innocent party cops all the shit?

    That’s what’s going to happen here.

  5. reusachtigeMEMBER

    “Huang Xiangmo, who has strong links to the Chinese embassy and paid a personal bill of Labor senator Sam Dastyari, has warned Australia will be “slaughtered” like a sheep”… Arrest that fckr and execute him!!! (to our Chinamen overlords, I was just kidding, please don’t make me disappear… I love youse with your great property investment skills)

    • rob barrattMEMBER

      Watch that tongue Reus, or you’ll be going the way of those Hong Kong book sellers.
      Remember, Chinese sovereignty is sacrosanct. The fact that it’s making its way toward you, island by island, is immaterial – hear?

  6. It’s all good. Trump knows what he’s doing.
    First President not to need daily briefings. Because he’s smart. Smarter than Kennedy.. can’t you tell.

      • I am glad you are comfortable with a delusional person making life or death decisions on 6 day old information.

      • LOL that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard! You boomers have been mind controlled into thinking way too much of what the CEO actually does… Obama had Drone Tuesday – 6 day old etc…

      • Miguel

        Even more than usual you obviously do not have a clue about what you are raving on about. Isn’t there some lego you can go play with or something?

      • How’s that slow melt coming along Lorax? You’ve been saying the crap for years and your consistently wrong

      • No mate, I said a slow melt was the best outcome for the country, and it still is. It wasn’t a forecast. Have you been assessed yet?

      • Nice try Lorax

        “so we all agree the crashniks are batshit crazy ”
        ,
        3 years later, median Sydney house prices 1.3 mil AUD 75

      • You called for lower rates and a slow melt, because your so smart Lorax, and all those who agreed crashniks are batshit crazy…

      • Not even a boomer. Trump is though. And he is going to unleash Yeltsin style neoliberalism on steroids.
        Wouldn’t it be clever to vote for him? And fun!

      • Riiiiiigggghtttt so the guy who’s never had a drink in his life is an alcoholic communist party apparatchik? Nice try.

        I’ve said it before, boomer is a lefty mind control set, not a biological age grouping

      • Oh yeah. The generation who was happy to see the welfare state torn apart on their watch is “lefty”. That makes sense.

      • Yep they are, and deluded. Just like the enviros with a chemical fetish who haven’t done a thing for the environment in decades but manage to deploy virtue collectors on every street.

        I know everything is upside down – that’s been my point all along. Just like that debt is money, or this made up credit is more high powered than that made up credit because it sits in this account and not that one….

    • from the wild: https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/807453022179774464

      wait was the whole election a proxy battle between the fbi and the cia that the fbi won?
      — christopher hayes (@chrislhayes) december 10, 2016

      You’re a smart guy. Just stating the obvious. You did well in school and going forward, things have been good. You’re on MB commenting for goodness sake. You know of the dumb people yes? the guys who make stupid decisions, the people who have no idea, and we all know (deep down) that equality is a crock of shit. those people.

      Do you understand that there are others, far fewer in number, for whom you and your mind, is like ‘those people’. In more dubious parts of the internet this phenomenon is known as the 120 bubble. Referencing the preponderance of the worldview based on a ‘leadership’ with an 120 iq. The people themselves are between 95-105. thats your precious prog bubble.

      As you see the world descending into chaos, maybe at least pretend like you don’t have all the answers. Just a suggestion. The guy quoted is a prog btw…

  7. So the same CIA that told us with 100% certainty that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction is the same CIA we are now supposed to believe is surely sure, though doesn’t quite have the proof, that Russia hacked some emails.

    Those emails showed how corrupt the clinton campaign was. journalists should have been all over the emails as a treasure trove into the inner workings of the corrupted political system. the fact clinton and the DNC colluded together to ensure Sanders wouldn’t be the democratic nominee should be enough to have forced clinton to stand down.

    i’m still basking in schadenfreude at seeing all that money from the vested interests wasted on the clinton campaign. i’ve heard donations into the clinton foundation have plummeted by 40% since her loss. doubt the qatari govt will be offering bill another $1M donation on his birthday.

    • But you can’t deny that CIA has really nailed Operation Mockingbird – everyone repeats their conspiracy theories

    • lol – right up your alley: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11/former-uk-ambassador-blasts-cias-blatant-lies-shows-little-simple-logic-destroys-the

      ‘A little simple logic demolishes the CIA’s claims. The CIA claim they “know the individuals” involved. Yet under Obama the USA has been absolutely ruthless in its persecution of whistleblowers, and its pursuit of foreign hackers through extradition. We are supposed to believe that in the most vital instance imaginable, an attempt by a foreign power to destabilise a US election, even though the CIA knows who the individuals are, nobody is going to be arrested or extradited, or (if in Russia) made subject to yet more banking and other restrictions against Russian individuals? Plainly it stinks. The anonymous source claims of “We know who it was, it was the Russians” are beneath contempt.

      As Julian Assange has made crystal clear, the leaks did not come from the Russians. As I have explained countless times, they are not hacks, they are insider leaks – there is a major difference between the two. And it should be said again and again, that if Hillary Clinton had not connived with the DNC to fix the primary schedule to disadvantage Bernie, if she had not received advance notice of live debate questions to use against Bernie, if she had not accepted massive donations to the Clinton foundation and family members in return for foreign policy influence, if she had not failed to distance herself from some very weird and troubling people, then none of this would have happened.

      The continued ability of the mainstream media to claim the leaks lost Clinton the election because of “Russia”, while still never acknowledging the truths the leaks reveal, is Kafkaesque.’

      • Trump’s a joke! FAILED.
        Trump hates women! FAILED.
        Trump is racist! FAILED.
        Trump’s a Russian agent! ______

        I hope the CIA investigation finds out how Russian hackers forced Hillary Clinton to rig the primaries against Bernie Sanders.

      • Does it really matter who supplied the emails? This is just another smokescreen to distract form the content of the emails. Not a single person has come forward to say any of the emails are fabricated. This is just another continuation of blaming Russia for anything that isn’t convenient in US domestic or foreign policy. It has been going on for two years without any respite.

        We all know the real story. It is probably a beltway insider that these people work closely with and still don’t suspect who is sick of the nepotism and rigging going on.

      • @JC definitely. th fact the US MSM is still focusing on the fact the info was leaked, and not the fact the leaked info shows a disgusting level of corruption within the DNC and the Clintons shows just how uslessg the MSM is these days. The NY times had to write an apology letter to readers. i wonder how many subs they lost due to it?

        i’m now of the opinion the only way to get decent media is to pay for it myself which i do via patreon to a number of content creators. yeah they prob have a bias towards my view, but i try to balance that by also funding a few creators I don’t necessarily align with but credit them with being intellectually honest and criticising their own side when required.

        similar reason why i subscribe to MB. They have an agenda definitely, but it’s an agenda the country needs and I’m happy to pay a coffee a week to help move that agenda forward.

      • “similar reason why i subscribe to MB.”

        I have cancelled mine. I’d like to resubscribe, but i have had legitimate observations and commentary censored and have been banned for a day for suggesting the Red Army liberated Europe from the Nazis. Not saying they didn’t impose Communism on the place, but strictly speaking it is the truth. HnH conflated the Commies with Nazis. Seems like an accurate comparison (sarc).

        Bottom line, it would be good if this blog put its neck out some more and offered up some more analysis on asset allocation and individual stock picks.

      • “…while still never acknowledging the truths the leaks reveal, is Kafkaesque.’” – you got it in one T

        I am pretty confident that at some future point saying something like “the Clintons” will be accepted shorthand for identifying the true awfulness of the managerialist corruption of Western democracies in support of the 1%

    • FiftiesFibroShack

      I’m surprised people think Russia isn’t hacking and trying to influence foreign affairs. Which country with a decent intelligence service isn’t?

      It doesn’t matter where the leaks originated, they were real. HRC and the DNC only have themselves to blame.

      • “I’m surprised people think Russia isn’t hacking and trying to influence foreign affairs. Which country with a decent intelligence service isn’t?”

        We all know they are hacking. Everyone hacks or listens in. Hell the US does it to all of its allies. The question is, are they responsible for this particular hack? Gut feel is, that it is a NO. Most likely an insider. This is just another inconvenience being blamed on the Russian scapegoat. Just more filth from American politicians, who don’t want to heed the will of the people. The US was deeply divided before the election and is even more divided now.

      • Jumping jack flash

        I”m with you JC.

        The only real information that I have seen (that has been released) was they detected a port scan originating from Russia. How many of those would be done daily? I’m guessing a lot.

        And then there’s that whole “unrelated” thing about the email server hacks which really have nothing to do with votes per se, but the media seems intent on confusing the two events, either unintentionally, or intentionally.

      • FiftiesFibroShack

        “The question is, are they responsible for this particular hack?”

        I can think of plenty of reasons the Russians would and one big reason a pro Bernie insider would, but doubt we will ever know without the person(s) responsible outing themselves. Who did it is the least interesting part of this; the political reactions to these allegations is where the far larger problem is.

  8. Bring back Tones, we need strongmen! He can job Trump, wrestle Putin and invade China with non union Holden Subs.

  9. Jumping jack flash

    “Let’s hope that saner heads prevail as Trump shakes things up because if it turns nasty the current pack of Canberra muppets are hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with it.”

    Truer words not spoken.

    More than ever we need a strong leader. Pity this is not in the Australian post-modern psyche.
    Perhaps we can get one on a 457?

  10. Why would Russia ditch its informal alliance with China to partner up with the US when with a change of Gov in 4 yrs that informal alliance would likely be in tatters, whilst heir hookup with China would likely last as long as the US is viewed as a threat to both?

    • China and Russia have a VERY strained relationship. China knows they have the upper hand in any dealings with Russia.

      The US needed to hodl to it’s promise not to move NATO to the borders of russia. Much of what Putin has done is really defensive in nature, not offensive. What the US has been doing is not dissimilar to what Russia tried to do with Cuba.

      A strong view in Russia is China covets the sparesely populated but resource rich areas of the country that borders China. It wouldn’t take much to bring the countries back to their Sino-Soviet past – much of the ruling class in both countries grew up in that time so it will definitely tint their view of each other.

      • “Much of what Putin has done is really defensive in nature, not offensive.”

        Glad someone noticed that Russia isn’t indeed making decisions in a vacuum, merely responding to moves made against it. The US was having a laff thinking they could take Sevastopol away from Russia. Its akin to Turkey closing the Bosphorous. I.e. an act of war.

      • That is fiction – have a look how much Russia military trades with China – almost nothing. Russia sold a few planes, China copied them, then a new model came out, and China put an order in for one! Needless to say the deal did not go ahead.

        have a look at the numbers – there is virtually no overlap, nor has been for a decade. China builds its own in virtually everything now. Absolutely everything!

      • @ RT, yes, but it does sell China along with India its more sophisticated weaponry. It has done this, in China’s case as a result of US sanctioning. An example is the s400, even a watered down export variant. The Chinese would be hard pressed to come up with an endogenous version even half as good within 10 years. It’s not always about volume, rather quality.

      • sydboy,

        Do you think Russia gives a damn about the SCS, Taiwan or NK? I don’t, but I think the US does and I think the Russian’s are more concerned about US attitudes to them than they are about China and I seriously doubt China would be coveting Russian land unless they like the idea of a nuclear war.

    • More of the same from the DNC – finding scum to do their dirty work – hasn’t worked all year.. better keep trying:

      Elector Stephen Christopher Suprun won’t vote for Trump because he’s an ‘elector with a conscience’.
      Now we learn that he signed up for paid wife-swapping site, while married, with kids, in bankruptcy…

      Helluva conscience you got there, Mr Suprun

  11. AEP on China powerless against Trump’s economic threats but can beat war drums – interesting ploy… China bet that everyone would abide by the one China policy, hence they decided to formalise it by building a bunch of bases in the South China coral sea to keep open shipping lanes in time of conflict. All that work is now strategically useless, given any force based in and around Taiwan can close those sea lanes effectively. And moving north to a remaining Japan is the height of folly because they have the geographical superiority. A lot of money spent for not much. The weakness in AEP’s argument is that Trump may be willing to trade. That under-estimates the man. You deal with your enemies by putting your foot on their throat. China drastically miscalculated its own strength – they now must be worried about N. Korea.

    IMHO – Trump will not back away from Taiwan, nor any other president from now on with a decent navy… the biggest loser in several decades will be Russia. But they already know this!

    ***************************

    12 DECEMBER 2016 • 8:14PM
    With a single incendiary comment on Taiwanese independence, US president-elect Donald Trump has abrogated a central tenet of US foreign policy for the last 37 years and seems to have picked a deliberate fight with China.

    The world’s two superpowers are now heading for a showdown on a neuralgic strategic issue, greatly raising the risk of a trade war and a fundamental breakdown of the global commercial system.

    The Communist state media warned that there will be a “real crisis” if Mr Trump walks away from the ‘One China policy’ agreed in 1979 and uses Taiwan as a bargaining chip, either to extract trade concessions or as strategic leverage over Beijing’s military build-up in the South China Sea.

    The People’s Daily openly threatened the use of force “to take back Taiwan”, while Global Times warned that China will stop at nothing to show “who dominates the Taiwan Strait”.

    There is little that Beijing can do in strict economic terms to damage the US without hurting itself far move. Over half of China’s $45bn trade surplus last month was with the US, and the lesson off the 1930s is that surplus countries suffer most in a protectionist trade conflict. Deficit economies can even gain in some respects.

    “There is certainly the risk of a tit-for-tat trade war that hurts both sides but China cannot really use its financial leverage,” said Eswar Prasad, former China chief for the International Monetary Fund and now at Cornell University.

    “Any escalation in tensions or worries about growth in China could lead to a loss of confidence in the Chinese currency and set off capital outflows,” he said.

    Mr Trump’s language over the weekend was explicit: “I don’t know why we have to be bound by a One China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade,” he told Fox News.

    This is a bombshell. The US broke diplomatic relations with Taiwan and shut its embassy in 1979, recognizing a single China – though on ambiguous terms that Mr Trump is now exploiting.

    It had been widely assumed that he was acting naively – from ‘lack of experience’ as Beijing put it at first – when he took a telephone call ten days ago from Taiwan’s leader, Tsai Ing-Wen.

    But evidence has since emerged that this was planned by his staff. He has been taking advice from a group at the Heritage Foundation and from US diplomat John Bolton, advocate of a strategic showdown with China. “These people seem to have Trump’s ear,” said Jonathan Fenby, from Trusted Sources.

    China’s financial options are limited. Veiled threats to detonate a US debt crisis by selling Beijing’s $1.157 trillion of US Treasury bonds are mere bluster.

    “China would be doing us a favor by selling dollars for euro or yen. The dollar is too strong,” said Brad Setser, a reserve expert at the US Council of Foreign Relations.

    The US Federal Reserve could in any case take instant counter measures to cap Treasury yields if required in a crisis. China’s central bank is already an involuntary seller of US bonds, having to whittle down its holdings at a pace of $30bn a month to defend the yuan.

    If Beijing instead tried to punish the US by letting the yuan fall hard, it would risk a run on its domestic banks and shadow banking nexus. “It could spur capital flight and call into question the central bank’s ability to backstop the system,” said Mr Setser.

    China accounts for 90pc of the world’s production of rare earth minerals, used in hi-tech industries and weaponry. But any attempt to exploit this stranglehold – as it did with Japan over the Senkaku islands in 2013 – would probably backfire. The US has since launched an urgent drive to revive its own sources of supply.

    China could harass US firms operating in the country but this is already the case. The American Chamber of Commerce in Beijing issued a blistering report last month accusing the Chinese authorities of abusing the trade system to nurture its own industries and national champions.

    “Conditions in China and in the bilateral relationship have changed for the worse in fundamental ways, and American companies feel less welcome in China than at any time during the past two decades,” it said, calling on Washington to take a much tougher line.

    The risks for the US in this showdown are chiefly strategic. These in turn could crystalize the economic dangers very quickly, and in a ways that are not priced into global markets.

    “China might retaliate by holding war games in the Taiwan Strait. It has a thousand missiles in place and it claims to have weapons that can sink aircraft carriers ” said Mr Fenby, a former editor of the South China Morning Post.

    China has never given up its claim to Taiwan, though many on the island feel separate
    When US-China tensions over Taiwan came to the boil in 1996, Washington still had military hegemony. President Bill Clinton sent two fully-armed aircraft carrier battle groups through the Strait with near impunity to fly the flag. Such action today would be extremely dangerous. “If things ratchet up to this point, what would Trump then do?” said Mr Fenby.

    One source close to Beijing said that if Mr Trump pushes the Taiwan issue too far, it will spin out of control. “There is no limit to the actions that will be taken by China. Deng Xiaoping was the leader who brought back Hong Kong. Zhang Zemin brought back Macao. Xi Jinping is not going to be the man who lost Taiwan. This is a line that will not be crossed,” he said.

    The paradox of Mr Trump’s hardline stance is that he also appears willing to sell Taiwan down the river if it serves his immediate purpose, reducing the country to a mere token in a business transaction. “He is playing straight in China’s hands. Everything is suddenly open for negotiation,” said Mark Williams from Capital Economics.

    Beijing may conclude that it is better to humour Mr Trump, offer him headline concessions on trade, and pocket the greater emotional prize of Taiwan. The unfortunate Taiwanese have painfully little say over their own fate.

  12. Trump is correct and history & international law is on his side ~ in using Taiwan as a negiotation chip to force the Chinese in trade imbalance & currency speculation.
    And the idea that Australia would be some kind of bridge or proxy between the USA & China is laughable.

    Firstly – China has no legal claim to Taiwan (Formosa)
    It was historically only ever partially occupied by the Chinese kingdoms.
    Then as Formosa – Portugal
    Then ceded to the Japanese in 1895 and
    Japanese until after WW2 1945.

    In the Treaty of San Franscisco 1952 Taiwan was taken off Japan and never legally part of China.

    Article 2 (b)
    (a) Japan recognizing the independence of Korea, renounces all right, title and claim to Korea, including the islands of Quelpart, Port Hamilton and Dagelet.

    (b) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores.

    (c) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Kurile Islands, and to that portion of Sakhalin and the islands adjacent to it over which Japan acquired sovereignty as a consequence of the Treaty of Portsmouth of 5 September 1905.
    (f) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to the Paracel Islands.

    Japan renounced all rights to the island of Taiwan and Penghu, they did not specify the successor state.
    So China has zero legal claim and very little support within Taiwan to be part of China.

    The sovereignty of Taiwan should be determined by Taiwanese people through self-determination.

    Trump knows that China is falling apart internally riven by at least 5 independence movements
    (Hong Kong, Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang / Uyghur Turkistan)

    So Taiwan is great weak point of China for Trump to exploit.

    One phone call did more in 8 minutes than hundreds of billions wasted on USA concessions wasted on china with no return, and USA battle groups having no effect on China’s militarism and colonisation of territories & nations that were never part of China.

    It is interesting to see the Chinese PRC here show their true colours :
    even tho they live here they don’t identify as being Australian or what is in our national self interest which is first to be a USA ally and support our USA alliance & then second be a trading partner with China.
    That’s the reality of it.

    • So what, the Chinese don’t care about what International Law has to say on Taiwan, just as they don’t on the SCS. Eventually it’ll be resolved in their favour (Taiwan) by mutual agreement with Taiwan or they’ll ultimately use force. They’ll just go about how they are now with the SCS and bully neighbours who voice dissent.

  13. TailorTrashMEMBER

    “The American Chamber of Commerce in Beijing issued a blistering report last month accusing the Chinese authorities of abusing the trade system to nurture its own industries and national champions.”……………well FMD ……….20 years ago I remember sitting in meetings in China and watching gormless Americans from Fatback ,Ohio with stars in their eyes marvelling at the “huge potential in China ” …….while the plants from the CCP and the PLA sucked up any morsel of knowledge
    which was duly fed back to local Chinese competitive firms ………and now the American Chamber of commerce is awake to the the way it’s done ….??…….now that is impressive !

  14. I doubt China will ever colonise Taiwan.
    Legally it’s not China, the law supports self determination and 75% of Taiwanese want complete independence, only 18% would consider a form of integration. It’s not East Timor where Gareth Evans fly over it with some Army generals then can give it away to allow mass slaughter…

    Oct 2016 pre Trump poll.
    Taiwan ~ 75% say no to China.
    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/10/29/2003658136

    So the China use their lackeys infiltrators in countries like ours to peddle & bribe some kind of back foot influence.. that’s laughable.

    Look at this guy & what he says.
    China-Australian Huang Xiango (he’s a Chinese businessman living in Australia I guess? ) – has strong links to the Chinese embassy and paid a personal bill of Labor senator Sam Dastyari
    He warned Australia will be “slaughtered” like a sheep if it does not build relations with Beijing in a post-Trump world.

    Yep : so we allow China to flood Australia with over 3/4 of million PRC mostly unskilled slum clearance, vice works & misfits or at the top end basically corrupt criminals laundering their looted money from China in Australian property speculation & then third world subletting for the unskilled chinese – few PRC ever contribute or assimilate or pay tax & are only motivated to drag in their old & sick to further infiltrate & colonise and be our welfare & health care burden..

    And now these Chinese who don’t even identify with being Australian start telling us what to do..

    Trump playing the Taiwan card by stating it’s a farce and China has no claim unravels the whole China expansionist & colonisation internally & that will fan the 5 or more major seperatist revolts and uprisings elsewhere. China will beg & grovel before the USA to prevent that : Taiwan will have its own self determination process. That’s my bet.
    Long overdue.