73 dead in French truck terror attack

Not clear yet but horrible, from AFR:

At least 73 people were killed and many more injured after truck was driven at high speed into a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in the southern French coastal resort of Nice, French media has reported.

A gunman reportedly got out of the lorry and fired into the crowd on the seafront Promenade des Anglais, an area popular with tourists in the Riviera resort, leaving dead and injured people lying in the street.

He was shot dead by police but there are unconfirmed reports that an accomplice had fled and that guns and grenades were found in the lorry. By midnight the death toll had reached 72, according to French newspaper Le Figaro, quoting a police source. Reuters reported at least 73 people had died.

Reports that the driver has been killed in shootout with police…

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    • It has to be someone else’s fault. By definition, islam is perfect, therefore, it can’t be to blame. Nor can it be reformed, or evolve. It is and will be stuck in the 7th century until it disappears.

    • JonathanMEMBER

      What a thoughtful response to this news Tony. You must be proud of yourself for that clever and well timed bit of twattery.

    • Do we even know this was supposedly “in the name of Islam”?

      Whilst I’m a hitchens fan, let’s not jump the gun

    • So someone drove a truck into a bunch of refugees, Had to happen sooner or later.
      Reinstate border control and see what happens
      We get people skiddled on the road here all the time.
      Some drunk in Melbourne recently exited the drivers door, on the highway, and was hit by a truck???
      Some woman in MElb yesterday drove her car into a truck??? Nothing to see here folks.

    • Tony it is partly France’s fault, harsh i know, but totally true. but not for the reasons Ali would state. France as a nation tacitly and mostly explicitly has endorsed American adventurism in the Mid East, where in Syria the CIA’s preferred method is to arm these nut jobs. This has made France a target for retaliation. To top it off they stupidly let these people in freely without even conducting rudimentary checks. The USA does not bear the blowback of its actions because a bunch of Wahabi scum aren’t going to sail to the states to seek asylum, when they can travel the few hundred km from Syria. This is also one thing Wilkie is absolutely spot on about – we have also made ourselves a target by supporting American adventurism in a sham “war on terror”

      • “Silly.”

        Why. The usual reasons that you can never get into kodiak, you weak weak individual!!!

      • I’m almost there with you. After all, France pushed to remove Qadafi and Assad and make Libya and Syria safe for ISIS.

        But here’s the thing: how do you explain all the Japanese workers killed in Bangladesh last week? Was their government involved in America’s adventures in the sandbox?

      • “But here’s the thing: how do you explain all the Japanese workers killed in Bangladesh last week? Was their government involved in America’s adventures in the sandbox?”

        Rightly or wrongly they get whoever they can. Japan is a staunch US ally, that’s all it takes. What needs to happen is a fundamental rethink of American foreign policy. The only candidate with that in mind is Trump. The others are for the continuation of a phony war on terror. No one in Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, neither did anyone in Syria. The “war on terror” has been used as a convenient excuse for the American FP machine to try to remake the Mid East in the image is desires and get rid of non compliant regimes. This is what has stirred up this hornets nest. If the US was serious about going after the real perpetrators, they wouldn’t need to redact 28 pages of a report that clearly shows the financing, which is what really gives these groups the ability to carry out these attacks comes from the Wahabi’s in KSA, some with ties to the royal family. They should have been butchered like cattle.

        The problem US foreign policy has is that “a few stirred up Muslims” is worth achieving their objectives. Their favorite tool is to use radical jihadi’s against countries they target. They are doing it in Syria today, and were doing so in the Caucauses.

      • You’re a funny combination of feeble-minded and willfully obstinate. American foreign policy is your answer for every evil in the world according to you. This was a common opinion in the Commonwealth when the WTC was attacked, but I think that it’s getting increasingly difficult to rationalize. At least among the sane.

      • Militant Islam isn’t going to stop or slow regardless of any change in foreign policy.

      • “American foreign policy is your answer for every evil in the world according to you”

        No, just a big contributor to our current ills with Wahabi’s. Your own CIA agrees with me by the way. It would be great if your country actually targeted the perpetrators of 9/11, but they didn’t do that.

      • Interesting take on things that people machine gunned watching a rock concert or mown down by a truck on a promenade on a national holiday are somehow asking for it.

      • No, it’s everything. Militant Islam. Ukraine. South China Sea. It’s like a behavioral tick.

      • “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”. The word of God. That is what has driven some Muslims for 1400 years.
        “You have your faith and I have mine” is read as subject to this extract. It has nothing to do with American foreign policy, any more than the Armenian Genocide.

        The fault is with the driver of the truck and his (and it will be a Sunni male,funny that) and his inciters

      • “No, it’s everything. Militant Islam. Ukraine. South China Sea. It’s like a behavioral tick.”

        I think US policy in Ukraine is a disgrace. In fact there is no word to describe how abhorrently disgraceful it is. The SCS is a different story. There i believe what they are doing has some merit, but no necessarily the way they are doing it.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Militant Islam isn’t going to stop or slow regardless of any change in foreign policy.

        Militant Islam has footsoldiers largely because of western foreign policy.

        Or do you buy into that “they hatez us for our freedumbs” bullshit ?

      • “Militant Islam has footsoldiers largely because of western foreign policy.”

        Zero facts, zero empirical historical correlation, zero logic.

        But of course it’s THAT!

        “Or do you buy into that “they hatez us for our freedumbs” bullshit ?”

        How about “they hate….”

        They hate in Sub-Saharan Africa,
        they hate in Mumbai and other parts of India,
        they hate in Armenia,
        they hate in Macedonia and Serbia,
        they hate in Burma,
        they hate in the Philippines,
        they hate in Thailand,
        they hate in the western fringes of China,
        they hate in Chechnya.

        A lot of those places seem beyond the scope of ‘western imperialists”.

        White guilt has SJW’s like you defaulting to blaming the hosts, hating the whites, that they must be the source of friction.

        of course it’s about ‘western imperialism’.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        A lot of those places seem beyond the scope of ‘western imperialists”.

        Uh huh. And are the Muslims “threatening” the west coming from those countries, or are they restricting their hating to more localised matters ?

      • fitzroyMEMBER

        And when the brown Christians in Lahore are blown up by Islamists at Easter targeting innocent children in a park, that is because of US or French foreign policy, racism, bigotry etc etc.
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3511528/Dozens-mothers-children-52-killed-suicide-bomber-targeted-Christians-celebrating-Easter-park-Pakistan.html
        When Yazidi women are burned alive
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-burn-19-yazidi-women-to-death-in-mosul-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-isis-militants-a7066956.html
        or people are dissolved in acid
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3598477/ISIS-execute-25-people-lowering-NITRIC-ACID-Iraqi-spies-tied-rope-dropped-vat-public-warning-others.html
        I’m sure they checked US foreign policy before they did.

      • Yes, Fitz and if we didn’t get involved in their silly internal tribal disputes to begin with, they would all still be hacking at each other instead of us. Reagan had it right when he said, had he known how irrational that part of the world was they would never have gotten involved in Lebanon. Saddam was a piece of work, but he despised terrorists and butchered them whenever and wherever he could. The West was silly enough to destroy that country as a functioning entity. They then went and did the exact same to Libya, with the same results and now Syria – they made a willful decision to let ISIL rise. You can’t tell me that US foreign policy does not play an overriding role in terrorism in the Western World, it does!

      • “they hate in Macedonia and Serbia,”

        And they were supported by the USA for their hate in these countries and still are! The USA loves muslim radicals when it helps them meet their geopolitical goals. Serbia is a neutered b*tch right now!

      • fitzroyMEMBER

        Before Isil they flew planes into buildings and had the Armenian genocide. Can we blame the US for that as well? Jihad predates the US by 1000 years.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        I’m sure they checked US foreign policy before they did.

        US foreign policy is all but directly responsible for the creation and rise to power of the Taliban and ISIS.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Before Isil they flew planes into buildings and had the Armenian genocide. Can we blame the US for that as well? Jihad predates the US by 1000 years.

        If we are going to enumerate all the awful things various tribes have done to each other throughout history, I’m fairly sure the only real defining factor in scope and scale will be the advancement of technology and proximity to victims.

      • “Before Isil they flew planes into buildings and had the Armenian genocide. Can we blame the US for that as well? ”

        It was blow back for their foreign policy in the Mid East. Explicitly stated as such by their own intelligence agencies and the man who actually perpetrated the crime. Blow back it is a real concept and it contributes to terrorism. Foreign policy actions have unintended consequences. US actions in Libya, Iraq and Syria have made them terrorists playgrounds. How any rational person can argue otherwise is baffling. The other issue you have is that we are dealing with an Islamist insurgency. These people are fanatics, and view these actions in the prism of an assault on their religion. That’s the problem with fanatics, they are willing to blow up random innocent lives as they view them as fair game. It is easy for the Wahabi’s and the Clerics to convince Muslim men to blow themselves up against the “enemy” when nothing but bombs have rained down on them as a result of US policy. It is a contributing factor. You can put your head in the sand all you like, but it is true! This is not to say the actions of terrorists are justified, they aren’t .

        The bottom line is that the US is failing in its war on terror, because with one hand they bomb terrorists, and with the other they help them. Do you think the families of 9/11 victims think it is justifiable for their nation to assist Syria’s Al Qaeda arm to meet geopolitical objectives in that country, after Al Qaeda murdered their loved ones?? How do you feel about that?? This is the schism of US policy and why the “war on terror” is an abject failure and will continue to be.

    • I’m astonished people still don’t get this, absolutely astonished. Our participation in the “war on terror” does not make us safer. In fact it does the total opposite. We should extricate ourselves as quickly as possible.

      • ?
        These guys are just a bunch of criminals,hiding behind religion,…and weakness is what the thrive on.
        How do you fight criminals, that exist in every society?. You continue to fight the good fight… yet reduce the press coverage on tv, it’s silly

    • Not only is this a moronic and insensitive response to what has happened, it also shows extraordinary ignorance of the nature of terrorism, and misrepresents what Waleed Aly has said about it.

      If you’re going to make a comment about something, try not to make it dumb.

    • France is ridiculous for banning the hijab.

      Very offensive law. What is the point of it? To make Muslims angry?

      I not Muslim and am anti immigration, but I hate the hijab ban.

      Her Majesty the Queen wore a hijab/scarf on her birthday this year – as females used to in the 1960s.

      • Makes perfect sense. Ban the hijab and get massacred in response.
        I mean its not as if Muslim countries are anywhere near as prescriptive as France in dictating modes of dress and behaviour.

      • Jacob, France has every right to ban the Hijab. It is their country, based on their cultural heritage. In these Wahabi controlled countries like out ally KSA can i get away with wearing shorts. What about women and revealing clothing. What is good for the goose and all…..

      • Ronin8317MEMBER

        France have a law that bars public employees from displaying their religious believes on the job, so crosses, stars of Davids, etc are also banned. The hijab is not banned in public : they passed a law all face covering is banned in public, so the burqa and niqab that is banned as they cover the face.

    • “I look forward to Waleed Aly explain yet again why this is France’s fault.”

      Can you cite exactly where Waleed Aly blamed the French for the last attack? If you can provide a direct quote i’ll shut up, otherwise it’s a pretty grubby and cowardly statement to make on a day like this.

      • “Interesting take on things that people machine gunned watching a rock concert or mown down by a truck on a promenade on a national holiday are somehow asking for it.”

        Not the individual people Andrew, their weak govt. and leaders. They have made the people a target and then even worse they allowed those wanting to do these types of things to freely enter the nation.

      • Waleed Aly did say this “I have two theories on this. The most encouraging one is that we’re finally maturing in the way we handle terrorism. Gone is the triumphalist rhetoric of the ”War on Terror”, with its ridiculous promises of a terrorism-free world and the ultimate victory of freedom over tyranny. In its place is a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat. ” There would be a lot of irritated people in France today.

    • FFS – this is not “partly France’s fault”. EVERY single act a human does is to some degree influenced to some degree by a massive combination of factors. What about their mothers? What about their diet? What about the fact that it was a particularly warm july in france that year? The fact remains, some idiots made a considered decision to massacre innocent human life. Those people and those they follow are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT to blame – and YES, these nutjobs do invoke Islan and Allah as justification (even if the majority of muslims don’t).
      The self loathing, “white man is at the root of all evil” shite has really got to stop. Its amazing when you get social “progressives” aligning with islamics on this kind of stuff despite the huge chasm between their viewpoints. it just goes to show they are united by one common theme – they hate the establishment.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        The self loathing, “white man is at the root of all evil” shite has really got to stop. Its amazing when you get social “progressives” aligning with islamics on this kind of stuff despite the huge chasm between their viewpoints.

        Right. Because obviously if you think that generations of western imperialism in the middle east might just product some justifiable ill-will from the locals, the only reason is because you’re “aligning with islamics on this kind of stuff”.

      • ‘The self loathing, “white man is at the root of all evil” shite has really got to stop.’
        Correct. Step one.

      • “Right. Because obviously if you think that generations of western imperialism in the middle east might just product some justifiable ill-will from the local”

        Ergo, the same sense of inadequacy driven sociopathy that people from Vietnam and India commit when they immigrate to western countries, and the sense of Arab entitlement to rape that imperialists like Germany and Sweden deserve.

      • “and the sense of Arab entitlement to rape that imperialists like Germany and Sweden deserve.”

        The real issue is the pussified “safe space SJW’s.” Where are all the men in these countries to stand up for their women? I am quite confident if this happened in Australia they would be belted, in the same way Russian’s did when these “refugees” tried this crap over there.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        We’re still bombing Vietnam and Britain still rules India with an iron fist ?

        Stop the presses !

    • +1. The spin will be ISIS are bastards, but don’t stop Sunni Muslims coming to this country. They are blameless. Which is true. However, the solution for Muslim violence is not more Muslims. You are importing a massive problem, that will upset the publicist of the Islamic Council of Victoria and the Saudi sponsors. It is called the Jihad by Hijrah. If you doubt what I say HnH see Christopher Hitchens and Waleed on Q&A especially when Waleed was talking about Homosexuality and Islam.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBgzVeccys. The penalty in some Islamic countries is of course death. See the contortions Waleed goes through to avoid Christopher Hitchens’ question. He is an apologist. You are the national treasure not him.

      • So many of these comments show a compete ignorance of France’s history and actions, especially those in North Africa. This conflict has been a part of France’s identity for decades. The difference is that it is now being exacerbated by the conflicts we see now in Northern Africa.

      • Ronin8317MEMBER

        France’s adventure in North Africa ended more than a generation ago. and they left North Africa in a horrible mess. However the 80 civilians was not killed because of the grievance from a generation ago. They died because of ISIS and their brand of Islam that promotes the murder of infidels.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        LOL.

        Both Catholic guy and Waleed give similar answers (basically, “it depends”) but Waleed is the “apologist”, even though his answer is more accurate and less evasive because Islam doesn’t have any central authority whereas Catholicism does.

      • “Both Catholic guy and Waleed give similar answers (basically, “it depends”) but Waleed is the “apologist””

        Difference is, the worst that happens on ‘Team Catholic’ is a refusal to bake a wedding cake.

        The worst that happens from ‘Team Waheed Aly’ is gays commence a new career as daredevils, leaping off 5 story buildings without a bungee rope.
        http://www.news.com.au/world/islamic-state-group-targets-gays-with-brutal-public-killings/news-story/3b55d4e061e005aa8418ca2debc90e92

        Yet the moral equivalence from SJW’s is that they are committing comparable evil.

      • You can thank brain dead neo-liberals for this SJW crap. France should shut its borders, so should the rest of Europe. They were silly enough to let Syria happen in the first place, that was mistake number 1, and then even dumber to accept the refugee flow that followed.

        Mass immigration on this scale is not good. Assimilation occurs properly and effectively when the numbers are manageable. Countries and populations need not kow tow to Islamic beliefs. When you enter an Islamic country you better live by their rules – or you get stoned to death. The same should be the case for Muslims entering France, England or wherever. You live by the rules of the country you are in.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Yet the moral equivalence from SJW’s is that they are committing comparable evil.

        No, that’s you making shit up again.

      • +1000 rusty. The sjw argument is that none are perfect therefore all are morally equal and none can judge its a ploy to muddy the waters and divert attention from real evil. Im sorry, but isis is worse than westboro church, hussein worse than bush etc etc. No sane petson cpuld argue otherwise.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        The sjw argument is that none are perfect therefore all are morally equal and none can judge its a ploy to muddy the waters and divert attention from real evil.

        No, that’s just you making shit up again.

        Maybe if those dastardly “SJWs” had been listened to when the shrub was eagerly leading us into this most recent middle eastern adventure, we might be in a different place today.

  1. Out of respect for the families and victims we shouldn’t comment until responsibility is known.

    • Chances are, if it was a right wing fanatic, every skinhead from budapest to barcela would be rounded up and we would all get our 2 minutes of hate on Facebook. The progressive states would be using their bully pulpit to stick this down our collective throats.

      Given this has not happened, you think it illogical to believe one of the left’s pet minorities was behind the attack? The attack is over, and the gunman is dead, and no one has leaked it yet? What do you think is happening?

      Illegal african immigrant, who recently came out of the french penal system, a recent convert to the religion of peace. I’ll give you odds…

    • Seriously how could we(general public) ever know who is responsible for these ‘events’ as the media refer to them? Especially on this forum where it is often pointed out how msm bullshit about economics, real estate & politics yet majority swallow ‘isis’ ( by the way my favourite super hero female role model in the ’70’s – serving peace & justice in a short skirt)
      For any souls that died may they RIP.
      In the ’80’s it was ‘ban the bomb’ that kept us awake at night & theme of many school assignments then the world is melting, then gulf terror, then WMD, then Isis & it goes on & now we’ll never be able to afford a home, can’t afford Medicare, brexit, food shortage etc. As a consequence we have intense security & surveillance cameras everywhere in capital cities etc etc – morphing into a police state yet this stuff happens everywhere & often. Why is the security so pathetic they never catch the bad guys before hand? Fear mongering at its finest. For the carnage of 77 people dead & their bodies dragged for 2kms the streets were relatively clean & ordered. I don’t have a TV however internet has images of a few guys having a laugh next to the body of a survivor while his mate looks at his phone – just bizarre! CCTV footage? Mobile phone footage from witnesses? None of the witnesses saw anything – just heard a lot of noise – even the australia witness who saw nothing & left just as the action kicked in because her son ‘felt’ it was time to go home & heard noise & knew it was terrorists. How come that footage never makes msm. WTF is going on? please don’t bother to point out my insensitivity as it pales next to the fevered reporting & relentless coverage these ‘events’ get as the same snippets & narratives are televised 24/7 into our homes via tv for sole purpose of entertainment. My 10 cents.

      • Sir Cumference

        I appreciate that you are trying to quell divide and conquer but you can’t honestly be saying that all religions in the current year are the same?

      • Your point of reference is meaningless from a historical or sociological point…

        Disheveled Marsupial…. tho just for the sake of things I would point out the near endless wars in the ME and Stans as a policy function by the Anglophone…. the Chilcot report for one… but from my days in the military I would reference the ouster of a democratically elected president for a shah…

      • Sir Cumference

        It is meaningful from a human perspective and it isn’t the average Frenchman that should be subjected to Zbigniew’s fallout.

      • It was French on French imo…

        Disheveled Marsupial…. seems to have roots in egregious inequality… funny that…

  2. I was amused when someone BTL in the Guardian pointed out that as soon as anyone said #notallmen when it came to domestic violence the feminists howled them down for “not getting it” but #notallmoslems is a different story.

    • Maybe because there’s a difference between being born with a certain set of genitals and choosing to associate yourself with a belief system.

      • Gender is now a belief system too. Haven’t you heard. Anyway I realise I’m trivialising a response to an appalling action. On the one hand, you can say it’s “our fault” for starting all these wars that have just made things worse. On the other hand, I seem to remember France getting a lot of stick from the US for not following them into Iraq. And there seems to be a lot of Islamic terrorsm around, stretching from Boko Haram in Africa to separatists in the Philippines. Whether it’s fair or not, the widespread pervasiveness of Islamic violence doesn’t do much to help the “religion of peace” cliche.

      • Ronin8317MEMBER

        In many Islamic countries, becoming a Muslim is not a choice, and the punishment for apostasy is death.

    • How is this even the same thing? They are such totally different concepts – you really need to understand this before you try to conflate the two.

    • scootytootyMEMBER

      IS would claim responsibility for a fart in an elevator if doing so would aggravate the western world.

      • That’s definitely correct, but this certainly has the hallmarks of an ISIS based attack.

  3. Europe will have to break at some point as brexit was such a colossal fascist mistake….

    • Looks like the punters in the UK were correct, and voted out just in time.
      Boris is going to have the easiest job in the UK.

      • agree – why would you ever cede control of your border? especially when europe is run by left wingers and has completely opened up the union to all and sundry.

      • Neville Gearless

        Won’t help, the UK still has a porous border with the EU – over in Northern Ireland. So it’s either a wall, or let NI secede.

      • Never understand why people think border control will prevent terrorism? In this case, it looks like the guy had French citizenship so how would this be prevented by border control?? Even any crazies overseas who want to do things like this dont have to be terribly sophisticated to get into a country with “strict” border controls.

        I get the general Hate will assist anti-immigrant feeling but for anyone who thinks about it for more than 5 seconds…

      • The vast majority of Muslims in the UK didn’t come through the EU, they came from the ex colonies, through the “strong” boarders. None of the London Bombers came via the EU they were sons of families who had been in the country for years.

      • So you don’t think it will help at all…even after thinking about it for 5 seconds, we are talking about immigration, yes?

      • I suppose you could argue less immigrants means less people who might do this sort of thing… but its a pretty weak argument when its pretty clear that there are a large number of people who could be motivated to do these things already in the country. And plenty who could execute from the outside, just by travelling on a false passport or whatever.

        It would be better to try to figure out what the causes are and address those.

      • ok my argument is right and your argument is also right – why can’t this happen more often

      • Yep. And whats really sad is that 99.99% of the refugees from these mainly Islamic countries are completely harmless. The tiny minority of lunatics is both driving them out of their own country AND preventing them finding a better future somewhere else through these sort of actions. As well as throwing a massive spanner into the works of Western democracies.

        Everyone loses. That’s why a proper solution, not the kneejerk stereotyping which will inevitably follow, is urgently needed. Trouble is, no one seems to have any idea what the solution is.

      • Dave, for starters you could discourage the influx of people who consider disbelievers to be subhumans (baked into the religion), or those who profess to follow an opposing political system incompatible with the current one (totalitarianism, again, baked into the religion).

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        So you don’t think it will help at all…even after thinking about it for 5 seconds, we are talking about immigration, yes?

        How many of these attacks have been carried out by people with questionable authority to be in the country ? How many by citizens (native-born or otherwise) ?

  4. Shit. I am going to Nice in October as well.

    Whether this is a terrorist attack or not, this is surely the next evolution of terrorism – soft targets and using easily obtained vehicles as weapons of mass destruction.

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      It’s not new : this kind of attack has occur in Israel before. It’s merely being spread to other countries now.

  5. Was just driving to work rehearsing a YT video exposition on the klusterfk on Ventoux last night and the need for ASO to pull le fingers out, also more broadly on personal concerns about security more broadly, and got to work and saw this.

    • I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: how long until the French people (and Euros in general) realise that the state is failing to protect them…

      • WOn’t be long, especially if a media spotlight shifts to responsible parties.

        I believe the head of French internal security said around 3 days again local goat sexors were planning to commit an act of terror by using a truck.

        A police chief said last week he believes the ethnic french are not fa away from ‘civil war’ using his words.

        History shows that the French enduring this invasion of Arabs based of racism and religion are likely to be very brutal in payback.

        A final solution to the Arab problem may not be out of the question.

      • One more of these attacks and Le Pen will win, that or you may just see a civil war in the streets.

      • fitzroyMEMBER

        Correct JC. Marine is miles in front of everyone else but was looking at losing against the combined efforts of everyone else in the second round. That may change.

  6. Seems the – Races of Men – is making a final stage appearance…

    Disheveled Marsupial… all the marbles are in and its for keepers now… sigh..

  7. Such a waste, we have an office in LeCannet (about 20km from Nice) so I’m there about 3 to 4 times a year, I love the area, love the people of the Provence.
    I worked for a year on a big project just outside Nice back in the early 90’s, great group, great lifestyle, great culture, great location …such a waste.
    All done in the name of religion, go figure.

    • “All done in the name of religion, go figure.”

      When was the last time you said “F*ckin’ Buddhists again” or “F*ckin’ Hindus again” ??

      The western world has more Buddhist immigrants than Arab Muslims immigrants.

      • To be fair, there are Hindu terrorists and atrocities have been committed by Buddhists in history.
        That said, Islam is the most dangerous major religion at this point in time.

      • Wow there Rusty, I have many many faults but being a racist isn’t one of them.
        Sorry mate but you’ve got that so wrong it’s comical.

      • you’re misunderstanding me Bob. There is no intent to direct it at you.

        I’m pointing out, you have indicated it being a sectarianism issue.

        I don’t think that’s right, considering the westen world has taken in more buddhist immigrants than muslim immigrants, but none of us are having our institutes bombed or local women being exposed to real rape culture at their hands.

        One religion perhaps, but not ‘religion’.

      • Really? Next you will suggest that this latest atrocity was committed by Islamaphobes. That should shut the conversation down.

      • i) Can we play your game and absolve part, if not all, blame because of the Mughals and their part in the biggest Genocide in history in India?

        ii) We’re talking about the safety of France, and extending it to Australia.

        Restricting Hindus from the west has zero impact on terrorism.

        Restricting Arab Muslims diminishes it a lot.

      • RP…

        I thought the main issue was not creating them in the first place and then funding them for regional purposes… only to have them slip the leash….

        Disheveled Marsupial…. one would have thought the lesson learned after Hitler, Pinochet, Noriega, Saddam, and a whole cavalcade of other despots and two bit dictators and what pops out the other side eventually…

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Can we play your game and absolve part, if not all, blame because of the Mughals and their part in the biggest Genocide in history in India?

        I haven’t absolved anyone of anything. That’s just you making shit up again.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        “When was the last time you said “F*ckin’ Buddhists again” or “F*ckin’ Hindus again” ?”

        Well, I did have this Indian client the other week, who after agreeing on a price before commencement of a job, tried really hard and agressively to haggle down the price at completion of said job.

        Having many wealthy indian customers, this is a common occurrence which I deal with by very polietly explaining that ,…
        I understand that haggling after an agreed apon price is a common and accepted cultural practice in India,….but here in Australia it is considered extremely irritating, uncouth and impolite.

        No doubt they find their plumbers lack of deference, equally irritating.
        ?

  8. How the hell did a truck get in to a confined pedestrian only area that should have blocked off and guarded by machine gun toting security personal? Somebody wants a war, the question is who.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Yeah, totally! At least here in Sydney we totally block off all pedestrian areas to delivery trucks and also have machine gun wielding security just in case!! It helps stop wars.

  9. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Not to worry. At some point in time someone will rise to the top of European society with a final solution to the moslem problem that will fix things. It’s the way they roll baby! But, of course, the banking race will be fine this time around as they’ve helped create the diversion.

  10. Seems Colonialism does not fade with time… funny that…

    Disheveled Marsupial…. guess turning an entire region in to a huge open air Abu Ghraib has psychological consequences down road…. might necessitate an increase in red mist missions…

  11. The blame for this lies firmly with the French government. They have clearly failed to protect their citizens.

  12. haroldusMEMBER

    This has pretty much destroyed my usual cynical optimism. I can see no solution. I guess the western state as we know it is dead.

    At what point does pragmatism take over? How long do you have to make a decision?

    What would you do if it was your loved one? Would you have faith in the apparatus of the state to fix it?

    Ah fuck no wonder I’m a pisshead. You don’t have to worry about fat pissheads.

    • haroldusMEMBER

      Why are you paying taxes? Why are you engaging in civil society?

      What benefit to you now?

  13. I am reminded of two things. One is the eternal question of “How could the German people get to that point?” and another is a Chris Rock sketch on OJ Simpson.

    Chris Rock “I’m not saying it’s right. It’s not. But I understand.”

    I worry that these conditions are enough to force the French people to deport all Muslims. It’s certainly presenting as a scenario in which a knee jerk reaction will occur. It will be reminiscent of the Germans expelling Jews early on and the thing is, I’m with Chris Rock on this. It’s not right, but I understand.

  14. I doubt very much it was Islamists. Maybe Trump supporters or Basque separatists. Islam is a religion of peace so you can rule them out.

    • Yeah tell that to Bush Jr who got his morning SITREP w/ biblical headers whilst pushing the Christian Reconstruction agenda… oops… not to forget all the billions spent in the Ukraine for neo-Nazis….

      Disheveled Marsupial…. but all those non tender contracts for MIC made mates rich…. EMH – !!!!!!

      • It isn’t necessary to draw upon examples of Western prodding to find a reason for Islamic violence. Islam is more than violent enough all on its own.

        Take the Islamic conquest of India. Us Christians and Jews get off reasonably lightly by comparison because we’re “people of the book”, but those peaceful Buddhists and Hindus are “idolators” so it’s death for them.

        Islamic invaders are thought to have killed ~80 million Hindus and Buddhists, possibly the largest genocide in history.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_on_the_Indian_subcontinent#Impact_of_Islam_and_Muslims_in_India

        As for the historical white Christian crusades into the Middle East, it’s pretty much bullshit. History clearly shows that the invasions and killing were very much on the side of Muslims doing the killing and invading.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

        More modern “crusades” into the Middle East have had more impact due to the technology gap, but again, Muslims never need an excuse to want to invade the lands of, enslave, rape and kill the disbeliever.

        “Whoever refuses to follow the straight path deserves to be killed or enslaved in order to establish justice, maintain security and peace and safeguard lives, honor and property.”…“Slavery in Islam is like a purifying machine or sauna in which those who are captured enter to wash off their dirt and then they come out clean, pure and safe, from another door.”

        — Modern Islamic Fatwa (religious clarification) http://bit.ly/29LZPpk

      • I don’t see the huge army’s and hegemony controlled out of the ME or Stans…

        Disheveled Marsupial… not that this event was perpetrated by french born male to Tunisian migrants and the rampant economic plight such young experience… soft targets for manipulation so it would seem…

        PS… Btw you know Warner was an applied physicist trained in quantum physics, and a University professor; he holds a PhD in both Physics and Mathematics and not history…. hint hint…

      • In case your unaware…. Mediocritas

        The NeoConservative Christian Right

        Neoconservative Politics and Christian Right

        https://oneway2day.wordpress.com/tag/bill-warner/

        or better….

        Interview with Dr. Bill Warner Ph.D — Israel, Islam and End Times

        Video by Israel, Islam and End Times on Youtube

        https://au.pinterest.com/pin/150448443781436650/

        Disheveled Marsupial… maybe old Bill will figure out that Islam, Christian-Judaic mythology share the same exact shared older mythology one day….

  15. The first victims of Mohammad’s cult are Muslims…and then everyone else, as we have seen today.