Maurice declares war on Western weakness

Old loon ponders don’t die they just join a militia, from The Australian:

This stark reality presented most recently in Paris when terrorists killed 130 innocent civilians. Around the Western world, the response was “sensible” and “measured”. There was talk of standing “shoulder to shoulder” with the French people. How we shared their pain. Our own Prime Minister praised French football fans who sang Le Marseillaise as they left the stadium.

“Freedom stands up for itself, stands up for its values in the face of terrorism,” Malcolm Turnbull declared.

This timid reaction is a worrying sign. It suggests weakness and unpreparedness. It reflects decades of postmodern experiments where parliaments, schools, universities, churches the law and the media have been colonised and disarmed by “progressive” thinkers.

…The radical giant in our midst is waking up to this reality. He sees moral and economic decline. He has no respect for this civilisation and will stop at nothing “to restore glory to humanity”. Thanks to uncontrolled migration, he has many believers within who will join his cause.

Local disenfranchised kids are not “radical giants”. Which is not an argument against high scrutiny and severe punishment, I might add, for those that are tempted by the psychopaths of the East. This is a small guerrilla movement seeking to install a borderless apartheid that makes local Muslims everywhere feel like they have no choice but to become “radical giants”.

What would you have the West do, Maurice? March into Syria and rerun Iraq? Re-stir the insurgency that created ISIS in the first place? Bog our armies down for another decade while bleeding the budget dry? Create the perfect new marketing platform for the radicalisation of your own?

Not fighting an asymmetric war with conventional forces is not not fighting the war. It’s simply being smart about fighting it. It’s not weak to:

  • intensify surveillance at home by heavily engaging the Muslim community and locking up the already corrupted;
  • fight behind the banner of a coalition to ensure you don’t paint a target on your back and
  • selectively intervene in foreign action based upon a strategy of picking a “strong man” that can destroy the ISIS insurgency from within.

This is, in fact, the classic “realist” tactics of the Cold War Right. Even with this approach you may still end up under direct attack at some point. But such is war and it maximises your chances of winning it.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. Tassie TomMEMBER

    Martin Bryant killed a huge number of people – 1/3 as many as the Paris attacks, all on his own in little old Tassie. No co-ordination or Jihad needed in that one – just a white guy like Maurice with a big gun.

    JW Howard’s finest moment (in my opinion) was standing up tall and strong to the gun-toting crazies who vote for his party and saying “this can’t happen again – things are changing”. We haven’t had a mass shooting (4 or more gunshot deaths excluding the gunman) in Australia since.

    I bet Mad Maurice wants us all to be “armed and prepared” for the homeland invasion too.

    • But but but… if you take away the guns, only the bad guys have them… That’s the argument my American relatives gave me when I said what we (John Howard) did after Port Arthur.

      Apparently also our crime rate has been going up (because Fox News said so)…

      • It’s crazy. I had a conversation with an American guy recently at a work conference and the conversation turned to guns. He asked “but what will you do if someone breaks into your home?”.

        He couldn’t comprehend that firstly it’s unlikely, secondly, if someone did I would probably try to de-escalate the situation by not threatening the intruder (who is probably trying to steal stuff, not kill me or my family, and quite frankly he can have my TV if he wants it). The much more likely situation is that a gun that is kept in a location that allows easy access in that type of situation is also really easy for a child to get hold of.

      • So these relatives are my mum’s cousins who grew up in the US, I’d not seen them since I was a small kid. Anyway 1 of them is a cop in the US (Pennsylvania) and I asked him if he would prefer they ban guns, since he was a cop I thought knowing people didn’t have guns would be high on his agenda, but no he seemed to think that gun’s were a good thing because it stops governments getting out of control. You know dictatorships etc.. So yeah that’s fair point if you look at say Libya or Syria, but I said governments usually roll in with tanks, not hand guns.

        I also asked him if you get pulled over in a car, should you get out of the car. He said absolutely not, stay put and place your hands on the steering wheel so they can see you’re not going for your gun.

        It’s hard for them to see it our way because for them, their current situation is normal. They can’t envision a society like ours where you don’t have to worry that every job blogs down the street is packing heat.

        This is why I can’t see it changing in the US anytime soon, they are just so used to the way it is and honestly believe the rhetoric the likes of Fox News spits out.

        If they grew up in Australia I’m sure they would feel the other way… If not even a cop wants to see gun’s banned I dunno what to think! 🙂

  2. And what did the French think when they bombed the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour? Did they decry that as terrorism? No they didn’t. They stuck out their Gallic bottom lip; shrugged their hypocritical shoulders and threatened the economic well-being of a ‘friendly’ nation if they even had so much as the temerity to imprison the culprits when they were captured.
    “Do unto others as you would have done unto you” Monsieur Hollande…..You are reaping what you have sown.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

    • The French have reaped the murder of 130 of their citizens because of the Rainbow warrior incident ?
      Happy to have psychopathic Islamic lunatics out there punishing the unjust, are you ?

      Good grief. Don’t be a child, that was 30 years ago – the French govt have officially apologised and paid damages. To associate Hollande and the current generation of French with that grubby affair, and to compare them with the psychopathic, brutal murderers and torturers at large in Daesh, is infantile.

      • I agree with Janet. For a civilised country to have committed terror like that is a far worse offence.
        It is never wrong to be reminded of historical facts. It does wonders for reminding us that we are and will always be mistake prone and to tread carefully.

      • @Green — Its you who has a problem with facts – the French are reaping what they sowed – all over the Middle East & also in Algeria, Indo China etc. They were /are complete a$$holes. For further info see links supplied in reply to Janet.

    • You should also ask the frogs about their behaviour in Algeria in the 60s.

      This isn’t a comment about the french people themselves nor condoning the murder of people.

  3. If we sent all the Muslims back to their countries of origin, we would go a long way to solving any internal threats. Who let em in anyway?

      • No need to worry, your mob wiped most of em out. Truganini et al.
        Hunting parties from Hobart out on the isthmus. you would have heard about that I’m sure.
        You guys are just damn lucky you are not all French, they were hot on our trail a few years ago.

    • If we want to show that we are serious we should start by sending back all the British who overstay their visas.

      • But how far back do we go? I think that I’m at least 4 generations on both sides. Can I stay?
        (I’m so white that I only get R&B and hip-hp tracks when Weird Al make parodies of them.)

    • Have you ever considered that sending our troops over to bomb Syria may have something to do with it?

      • Agree, we shouldn’t be there and they shouldn’t be here.
        I am mystified how the military recruiting goes these days, when the biggest threat is internal.
        The Donald says he will send em all home, where is our counterpart, no where to be seen, all too politically correct.

      • FiftiesFibroShack

        “Politically correct” for not wanting to deport all Muslims? No, just legally and ethically sound.

      • I have a Lebanese friend who regularly hears people shouting at her “go back to where you came from”. She shouts back at them “what, to Newcastle?”

      • Keep the families together, if the parents get deported, they have the benefit of taking their kids with em.

      • Exactly! And they are not all of foreign extraction eg the army guy on ABC news last night, almost certainly a full on Okka

      • Mate, that is old school, today we have facial recognition technology.
        Someone knows where most everyone is.
        Add that to mobile phone tracking, and the location is down to meters.

    • Let’s get rid of boat people altogether, including those pesky criminals who came here in 1788. Heck, let’s get rid of all of them a from the latest arrivals all the way back to the ones who came here on canoes.

      That way myself and all the other koalas can live in peace as we always did.

    • If we sent all the Muslims back to their countries of origin

      You forgot to include South Africans and all the other nationalities you want to send home. You’re always telling me to leave Australia. Ever considered that you’re a lot like Maurice, WilliWanka? 😯

    • I don’t understand why the hardcore pro-Sharia types are in Australia… plenty of other places in the world to go where practicing that is culturally acceptable.

      • The key word is “tolerate”.
        Australia is supposed to be a liberal-democratic pluralist society.
        Which means we agree to “tolerate” the views of others.
        I find the ideas and comments of somebody like Andrew Bolt repugnant, but I “tolerate” sharing society with the likes of him because that’s what grown-ups do.

        If a small group of muslims want to live their lives by the confines of Sharia law I say “hey, rock your socks off. It’s a free country”.
        Same as if somebody wants to become a Buddhist, Paganist, Spiritualist or Hare Krisha.
        Not something I personally want to do, but I can tolerate sharing public life with people who do.

      • For me the line is drawn at “does it negatively impact me or negatively effect our country?”

        As an example the full garb with eye slit only is completely unacceptable in public due to not being able to identify a person, case in point:
        http://toprightnews.com/muslim-woman-tries-to-use-sharia-law-on-a-cop-gets-a-major-dose-of-karma-instead-video/

        Thank goodness that piece of sh!t is in jail for her crime.
        Her lawyer isn’t much better either for their comments/defense.

        I’m yet to find a Buddhist, Paganist, Spiritualist or Hare Krisha that I can’t happily share this country with. I’m friends with heaps of muslims – big deal I couldn’t care less really about ones race/religion/etc.

        My concern is with the extreme nature of full Sharia, and would be even more concerned if it was condoned and grew. Does it not concern you at all!?

      • “Does it not concern you at all!?”

        Nope.
        You must be referring to the burqa which is far less common than the hijab among muslim communities.
        The hijab is open face.

        I can understand why banks and shops wouldn’t be happy about people concealing their faces with burqa, motor cycle helmets, clown mask or whatever.
        But that’s a security issue which each business can deal with.
        It’s not something that concerns the general public.

        Is it really just a clothing issue?

      • One issue is hiding identity in public – Inappropriate clothing is a great way to do this.
        http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/622037/Switzerland-votes-burqa-ban-fine-Muslim-women
        European judges ruled that the measure aimed at stopping women covering their faces in public was entirely justified, adding that the garment threatened the right of people “to live together”. Australia should consider this, however, it seems there may be violent consequences to this logical ban.

        The other concern is the pathetic attitude of that woman in the earlier article – drawing the race card (the Lisa Wilkinsons of Australia would be proud), threatening the police officer and being uncooperative for a standard roadside test (no respect for the law), making a fraudulent formal complaint (criminal act), etc. The soft Aussie culture and values isn’t here to be stomped on by vocal angry minority groups, and I see a future of stronger Australian patriotism brewing in line with the level of developing extremism.

        Brush up on Sharia law and how well it DOES NOT fit in with Australian culture and values:
        https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law
        Extract:
        – Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
        – A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
        – Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman,

        No. Not in Australia. No fkn way.

      • Terror Australis

        Ummm… but we don’t have Sharia Law in Australia.
        And never will.

        People on foreign shores have all kinds of wacky and demented beliefs.
        But that’s none of my concern.
        In this country we live by Australian law.
        Muslims are about 2% of the population last time I checked.
        And only a tiny percentage of THEM take Sharia law seriously.

        So I’m not sure what your concern is.

        btw Lisa Wilkinson is a dense c**t.
        On that much I can agree.

      • My concern is simply that tiny percentage growing in size and/or influence. I also think the law may need a bit of a refresh to keep it that way.

      • Terror Australis

        “My concern is simply that tiny percentage growing in size and/or influence.”

        Can’t see it happening. Ever.

        And if hassling a single woman or woman with kids quietly going about her business in public is what it takes to be “patriotic” then count me out.

      • “Can’t see it happening. Ever.”
        Hope you’re right. Would you have a problem with this being formalised in law? Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

        The head Mufti of Australia did a great job the other day for divisiveness and alarm… but apparently it was just lost in translation (FFS *cough* BS *cough*). But let’s play along… WTF is the local head honcho of a large religion who is apparently unable to speak the language doing here in that position, and what message does that contain about respect for our language? Coupled with the terrorist apologist tones within the speech itself, it raises eyebrows. Just look at how Reclaim Australia react in recent times – My guess is they’re sh!t scared people deep down doing what they can to defend their families, country & way of life (don’t want to get into their behaviour/attitude, that’s not the point).

        “And if hassling a single woman or woman with kids quietly going about her business in public is what it takes to be “patriotic” then count me out.”
        Long bow. Please direct elsewhere.

      • So I’m not sure what your concern is.

        Andy! is a white, middle-class man being persecuted by the muslim women he sees on Today Tonight. Can’t you feel his oppression ?

      • C’mon @drsmithy you can do better than that!

        Perhaps consider the content of the debate? And don’t misrepresent me.

      • European judges ruled that the measure aimed at stopping women covering their faces in public was entirely justified, adding that the garment threatened the right of people “to live together”. Australia should consider this, however, it seems there may be violent consequences to this logical ban.

        To be “logical” we also need to ban extensive facial hair, sunglasses, makeup, motorcycle helmets, hoodies and scarves.

        I imagine skiers on cold days might find themselves in a bit of bother as well, not being allowed to wear goggles and balaclavas on the slopes.

        The other concern is the pathetic attitude of that woman in the earlier article – drawing the race card (the Lisa Wilkinsons of Australia would be proud), threatening the police officer and being uncooperative for a standard roadside test (no respect for the law), making a fraudulent formal complaint (criminal act), etc. The soft Aussie culture and values isn’t here to be stomped on by vocal angry minority groups, and I see a future of stronger Australian patriotism brewing in line with the level of developing extremism.

        I know what you mean. I think people using mobile phones while driving should be thrown straight in gaol. No question asked.

        My concern is simply that tiny percentage growing in size and/or influence.

        Indeed. As noted, there’s probably dozens of them by now. At this rate they might have the same lack of influence on public policy as the Greens in a century or so.

        Brush up on Sharia law and how well it DOES NOT fit in with Australian culture and values:

        Everyone knows this already, champ. That’s why those of us with some semblance of intelligence have no concerns about it.

        Let me guess, though, you have no problem putting refugees into foreign concentration camps ?

        Hope you’re right. Would you have a problem with this being formalised in law?

        Because it would be stupid and pointless.

        Murdoch and Brandis must get seriously hot and sweaty everytime they read this sort of stupidity. Rather than focusing on the actual abrogation and real undermining of Australian culture and people’s rights being carried out over the last decade by the Liberal, and to a lesser extent Labor, Governments, instead morons like Andy! are getting hysterical about irrelevancies like fucking Sharia Law.

      • Wow, just wow. I told you not to misrepresent me and you come up with that! Get a room you two, and be as creative as you want.

      • And @drsmithy if you could do it without insult (calling me a f#cking moron, associating my comments with fkn Brandis, or the worst one: calling me a Today Tonight viewer), I would like to know more detail/specifics about what you’re actually referring to in your comment re: “…the actual abrogation and real undermining of Australian culture and people’s rights being carried out over the last decade by the Liberal, and to a lesser extent Labor, Governments”.

      • Perhaps consider the content of the debate? And don’t misrepresent me.

        What, your irrational fear of muslim women and comical delusion that Sharia Law is some sort of threat to Australian society ?

        Pretty sure I’m not misrepresenting anything.

      • And @drsmithy if you could do it without insult (calling me a f#cking moron, associating my comments with fkn Brandis, or the worst one: calling me a Today Tonight viewer), […]

        If being likened to them bothers you, then you might want to reflect on how the views you express are entirely aligned with them.

        You’re worried enough about the laughable idea of a (nearly literal) handful of people imposing Sharia Law on the country that you think we need explicit legislation against it happening. “Moron” is the kindest and politest word I can think of. It’s not an insult, it’s a description.

        […] I would like to know more detail/specifics about what you’re actually referring to in your comment re: “…the actual abrogation and real undermining of Australian culture and people’s rights being carried out over the last decade by the Liberal, and to a lesser extent Labor, Governments”.

        Are you serious ? Have you been living under a rock for the last twenty-odd years ? Here’s a few to get you started:

        * Gutting of public service and selloff of public assets
        * Reduction and ongoing attack of workers rights and increasing unemployment and job insecurity
        * Needlessly high “skilled immigration” rates
        * Increasing wealth and income gaps
        * Increasing demonisation of the poor and unemployed
        * Pretty much any legislation vaguely related to terrorism, privacy, “free trade” or “intellectual property” introduced since the mid-90s

        Muslims – even the actual violent extremist ones, of which we undoubtedly have dozens, maybe even hundreds, resident in the country – don’t constitute a fucking rounding error in the threats facing Australia and Australian culture. They’re just a convenient distraction for people like you who will run cheering into the arms of the men ready to stab you in the back, so long as they tell you there’s a terrorist muslim refugee chasing you.

    • WW,

      You’re pretty much proof that intelligence doesn’t inoculate people from bigotry and small-mindedness.

    • it’s disgraceful that Australians and populations within the Anglosphere actually believe these obvious training exercises (use your f&*king eyes) are “Terrorist” events. Seriously, white people will believe ANYTHING on that idiot box. Always some racist bullshit on that TV/MSM internet (99.9%) – Bedouin farmers do NOT have the ability to hurt you…. Everything you see in MSM or any media is propaganda. Stop being racist and fearful Australia – even Americans are better and don’t believe most of this shit.

      https://wellaware1.com/newsite/paris/

  4. He has no respect for this civilisation and will stop at nothing “to restore glory to humanity”.

    why this looks so familiar?

    oh yeah, it’s exact description of reasoning behind Western interventions in that part of the world

    • That whole paragraph takes on a new meaning when you think about it like that.

      “The radical giant in our midst is waking up to this reality. He sees moral and economic decline. He has no respect for this civilisation and will stop at nothing “to restore glory to humanity”. Thanks to uncontrolled migration, he has many believers within who will join his cause.”

    • Great name for a band.
      If you see a punk band of that name with members pushing 40 you’ll know it’s me.

      • FiftiesFibroShack

        “Can I bring my harmonica?”

        We’ll mic it up and run the output into a cranked up Marshall. Instant Punk harmonica!


      • I gots me a guitar too but I kinda suck at that.

        It’s a punk band – the whole point is that sucking at it doesn’t matter.

      • Terror Australis

        Bagsies on “Maury and the Moderate Midgets”
        Kind of a 70’s retro rock flavour.

        Think Daddy Cool with a comb-over.

  5. Perhaps Newman should read a little of the history of this part of the world and then understand that European intervention has been a failure. For example the British marched a small army into Iraq during world war 1 and not many survived.
    And how many of Newman’s family are currently in the services?

    • The other day I was trying to think of how many battles the Anzacs and the Poms have actually won.
      Couldn’t think of any.

      • British Butchers & Bunglers of World War One by John Laffin, should be on every Prime Ministers reading list, perhaps learnt not to be so gun ho, when English Prime Ministers and or American Presidents have brain farts.

    • The siege of Kut was a disaster permitted by arrogance and the pursuit of glory. The British general, Charles Townsend was a singular case, a psychopath, in the view of some.

  6. The “radical giant’ that is trained, armed and financed by the very same Westerners. The irony is rich.

  7. Both Blair and Bush went to war.

    They didn’t have a plan on how to fund it.

    Nor did they have a plan on what to do with the inevitable increase in numbers of refugees.

    The results of both failures to plan are obvious.

    Obama and Cameron have continued to wage war without any plan for paying for it or dealing with the consequences on terms of refugees.

    If anybody does something without regard to its cost or consequences, they are destined to fail. The fact that Newman seems surprised at the outcome tells me he is not that bright.

    • “Obama and Cameron have continued to wage war without any plan for paying for it or dealing with the consequences on terms of refugees.”

      I’m going to put it bluntly, they don’t care and won’t care until a major European country such as France or Germany does more than threaten to split from it’s foreign policy agenda and actually does so. The UK and USA have a sea between them and this issue. Mainland Europe is paying the price for blindly following USA dictat with respect to Mid East foreign policy, and i for one have zero sympathy for the migrant problem Germany is facing. They are the one country with the power to actually say NO to the USA, but they haven’t. Their media remains highly subservient to US foreign policy views.

    • “Obama and Cameron have continued to wage war without any plan for paying for it or dealing with the consequences on terms of refugees.”

      —and that’s leaving out the millions killed & injured (civilians ! )– Australia should NOT be participating in any way shape or form. America starts ALL these illegal Wars always cowardly & against 3rd World Countries – and invites Australia to send planes along for the practice. I resent this being done in my name as an Australian and of course well deserved blow back is always there as a possibility. The World has been made unsafe for travel by these lying scum & they use ABC & SBS to give only one side (USA Propaganda) of the story. The recent downing of the Russian passenger plane was no doubt facilitated to teach a lesson as was the deliberate shooting down of the Russian Bomber -doing too good a job! They want regime change – for pipelines.

  8. Turnball, thus far is handling this appropriately. The man recognises it is not in our best interests to follow orders blindly from our American partners. Our intervention in the mid-east does not keep us safe from terrorism, it does the exact opposite.

    • Agree with much of that.

      Alas he omits to discuss the reason ISIS has garnered more than the usual attention paid to Islamic extremists – its proud barbarity, its beheading of foreign journalists, its glorification of slaughter, and for most in comfortable western existence, its preparedness, however small, to bring hate for the infidel not only to our television and computer screens, but also our streets.

      It is the primary cancer, spreading secondaries when opportunity exists. The Wahhabi Salafist ideology must be crushed.

      • interested partyMEMBER

        Dude, ever used fossil fuels? We are all guilty here……at least those of us who eat, drive, or breathe.

        Seems that the Saudi oil trade has grown this version of weed and we just happen to have a convenient addiction…….

        “With the help of funding from petroleum exports[25] (and other factors[26]), the movement underwent “explosive growth” beginning in the 1970s and now has worldwide influence.[3]”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

        Better toughen up, princess…..or quit your mining gig and walk forever.

      • Jesus, we truly live in Orwell’s 1984 Oceania don’t we? None of this shit is actually happening (see voxel based CGi) and everyone just drinks the coolaid. There hasn’t been a real war since Korea, any of you c***ts actually been to the middle east?!? Showing old Yugoslav Wars remnant video and fake shit filmed in Arizona doesn’t cut it. Talk to people living in the region. Oh that’s right, most of you are soo rascist that’s not a possibility. WW – really? nearly everyone here is an intellectual lightweight. That’s why they study ‘ecomonics’ . LOL!

      • Jesus, we truly live in Orwell’s 1984 Oceania don’t we? None of this shit is actually happening (see voxel based CGi) and everyone just drinks the coolaid. There hasn’t been a real war since Korea, any of you c***ts actually been to the middle east?!? (i have) Showing old Yugoslav Wars remnant video and fake shit filmed in Arizona doesn’t cut it. Talk to people living in the region. Oh that’s right, most of you are soo rascist that’s not a possibility. WW – really? nearly everyone here is an intellectual lightweight. That’s why they study ‘economics’. We murder people, not participatory in our USURY system, on behalf of the banks. Simple as that. Terrorists DON’T exist except in your simple minds.

  9. Turks, Yanks, Sauds and Qataris are quite happy with the Middle Eastern loon pond they’ve created, trained, funded and set up smuggling routes through Turkey to make squillions of dollars. Buying the MSM narrative is akin to a lobotomy.

  10. Here are my 12 suggestions to clean up Australia and return our standard of living.

    1. No dual passports.

    2. 10 year delay between PR and citizenship and no medical or welfare benefits until then.
    Full local Health check not the frauded l ones overseas. English test ELT 5.5 or more, again full audit. Non English speaking to be discouraged. All level of govt services only in English.

    3. Social & infrastructure non refundable bond of $10,000 paid by every long stay 457 or ‘working holiday’ or ‘student’ visa.

    4. Termination of elicos English visa (280,000 fake students onshore) and this made online for free back in third world countries (no one will bother, just work entry racket)
    Termination of vet programs (180,000) as no proof these produce any skills required.
    Termination of local & international student separation as international education is riddled with widespread fraud & corruption.

    5. Termination of all 457 visas – prod comm showed they are not required.

    6. If not NZ born then no NZ visa access into Australia.

    7. Confiscation of all dwellings being used as doss house accomodation, (110,000 dwellings in sydney housing over 700,000 foreign guestworkers). Returned as Australian welfare housing.

    8. Residential housing can only be purchased by a full citizen. Severe penalties & confiscation if proxy buyers used.

    9. All non citizens are required to wear a gps tracking bracket 24/7 to provide evidence of work activity, housing location and proof of identity.

    10. Islamic Head & body coverings & Islamic mosques and schools banned under law – Muslims have to comply in covenant.

    11. Pork product and alcohol consumption compulsory as part of right of entry and living in Australia as our national sensitivity to be given respect.

    12. Citizen powers to detain and arrest suspects who are suspected of breach Visa conditions in housing, work or activity.