Unelectable turns unsustainable

Just last week I forecast that Tony Abbott would hang on this year. That was before the baffling decision to deliver Prince Phillip a knighthood, which appears to have crystallized global Abbott ridicule.

The Left press at the Fairfax dailies and the Right press at The Oz are now hammering our adrift PM with equal ferocity. Even the Financial Times is having a good laugh:

Australia Day is typically when prime ministers attract positive headlines by doling out honours to people promoting good causes. But Tony Abbott, the gaffe-prone holder of the office, provoked a storm of controversy on Monday by awarding the country’s highest honour – knight of the order of Australia – to Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.

…Mr Abbott’s belligerent personality has seen him pick fights with doctors, environmentalists and ethnic minority communities, among others. A series of policy U-turns has dented the Liberal Party’s faith in a leader who was once described as “unelectable” but confounded his critics to win the 2013 general election.

…The monarchy remains popular in Australia, where the Republican movement has failed to make much headway since it lost a 1999 referendum to remove the Queen as head of state. But Prince Philip is remembered for creating controversy on a state visit to Australia in 2002 when he asked an aboriginal businessman if indigenous people “still throw spears at each other”. Buckingham Palace moved quickly to play down the 2002 incident, saying they were “light-hearted comments”.

Gaffe-prone indeed. If the Libs aren’t careful, and wait too long to dump him and Hockey, the ridicule may attach itself to the party. Sportsbet captures the tone nicely:


It’s been obvious to anyone with eyes that Mr Abbott is simply not PM material since his disastrous appearances at the G20. Perhaps in normal times he could shut up and fade into the background for a year. But neither he nor the nation has that luxury as the economy comes under increasing strain and the global challenges confronting Australia mount.

Then there is this from Crikey yesterday:

While Tony Abbott was preparing to bestow a knighthood reserved for “pre-eminent Australians” to a wealthy Greek bigot living in the UK, another type of anointing was taking place in New York. As revealed in the Financial Review, on the weekend Rupert “all Muslims not guilty” Murdoch received Julie Bishop, Foreign Minister of his far-flung vassal state, Australia, and senior member of the client government he helped install there.

The timing of the meeting, and its revelation by Fairfax, is exquisite — and entirely unsubtle: just when Abbott demonstrated his leadership is permanently hostage to a political mindset that deeply confuses even his strongest supporters, there’s Bishop getting the News Corp imprimatur on the same day as Fairfax slavishly devoted an article to her thoughts on why Australia should retain a military presence in Afghanistan (“nice place to send refugees, wouldn’t want to live there”) beyond the current withdrawal date. Bishop the statesperson, Bishop the anointed one, Bishop the heir apparent. At least, that’s how she’d like the rest of us, and particularly her parliamentary colleagues, to see her at the moment her leader’s failings are on such public display.

Rupert’s firing squad appears to be assembling.

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    • Its been pretty clear for a while that Bishop is the new frontrunner, given that Malcolm is left of half the ALP and will never get any support from the loony right.

      I have no idea how she’ll go as PM. 3d is infatuated of course, being a woman from WA, but she strikes me as hard and unlikeable. The fact she defended CSR against asbestos compensation claims supports that view. (You really have to question the judgement of someone who involves themselves in something like that)

      She doesn’t have much experience in economic matters, so she needs Malcolm to come on board as Treasurer. Certainly a Bishop-Turnbull leadership team would be preferable to Abbott-Hockey, and Australia desperately needs some economic competence at the top now.

      • I can’t understand why Bishop gets so much good press as a ‘strong performer’. The reality is that her portfolio of foreign affairs and aid has been gutted, while other portfolios with apparently ‘weaker’ minsters suffer far fewer cuts. It says that she is a weak performer where it counts: at the cabinet table defending portfolio budgets.

        But I guess the media prefer to form judgements on the basis of shallow TV interviews rather than actual portfolio performance. Some showboating at the UN Security Council does not hide a foreign affairs dept suffering from harsh cuts and an aid program that is struggling since being rolled into DFAT.

      • Maybe a hard, tough leader is what we need right now to take our medicine?

        It sure beats a gaffe-prone failed populist.

      • Agreed Leighton, she’s had a pretty cruisy run in government compared to Morrison and Turnbull.

      • “I can’t understand why Bishop gets so much good press as a ‘strong performer’”

        It’s all relative to the quality of the other ministers. That and the fact that she spends so much time out of the country.

      • Everything you need to know about her in these two points.

        1. Her eyes. Cold.
        2. When the firies were trying to get presumptive cancer legislation into parliament (supported by Bandt, Libs and Labor alike), she was by first hand accounts a really nasty piece of work. Katter by comparison was against it, but was won over by seeing reason.
        But Bishop, well, I’ll keep the words used about her attitude for pub convo.

        You’re right, look at how she treated Hardie victims.

        She looks like a real nasty piece of work.

      • Calls for the Overthrow of King Tony of Australia

        King Tony of Australia, Her Majesty’s vassal in the Antipodes, Royal Suppository of All Tory Wisdom Down Under (or “The Suppository Down Under” as he is fondly referred to in the corridors of Buckingham Palace), is facing increasingly strident calls to abandon the throne.

        Angry crowds brandishing pitchforks, clubs and machetes gathered today outside the gates of The Lodge, the royal residence in Canberra, as rumours gathered of an imminent abdication or dethroning.

        Rupert Murdoch, ruthless media magnate and kingmaker, has joined the chorus of calls for an overthrow of the Australian monarch, anointing Julie Bishop, Duchess of Dunedoo, to ascend to the throne as King Tony’s successor. Murdoch’s many press organs carry daily calls for the Tory parliamentarians to join forces against King Tony and force him from power.

        Recently King Tony has shown signs of madness that have caused unease in the royal entourage. Strange pronouncements, inappropriate knighthoods bestowed on foreigners, a disastrous tour of Canadia, royal decrees that are soon reversed, a refusal to believe in modern developments like science, and embarrassing gaffes made before a gathering of world leaders, have led to rumours that the king has succumbed once again to the madness that beset him in his younger years, when he would behave aggressively and unpredictably towards others.

        The nation and the world now await the king’s overthrow or abdication, and the ascension of the new Australian monarch to the throne.

      • Personally I would prefer Turnbull, but Bishop is the option that holds the most appeal from a karma perspective.

        Seeing Half-term Tony being replaced by a woman would be delicious.

        What’s more I hope she get’s in and proves to be exceptional and gains accolades for unwinding all his farcical work.

        A good 12 years of TA sitting on the backbench whilst Bishop turns out to be the leader we ‘had to have’ would be amazing. Especially if she transforms Australia into a republic – not because it is ‘right or wrong’ but because it would be the ultimate revenge on the man that has done so much damage to Australia.

        Of course that’s not going to happen, so I’ll just be happy with Tony being the moron between our first 2 female prime ministers

  1. Was never taken in by either Abbot or Hockey. Ignorant, power hungry thugs, without a clue about society and economics. Minions of the FIRE and mining lobbies. Intellectually, they are sock puppets of the rich and powerful – ie – typical sociopathic parliamentarians. Good PR can only get you so far. The emperor is naked; he stripped off in public and it ain’t pretty. And now he has made himself into a global laughing stock with an arrogant gesture. Thanks for the laugh Tones. Au revoir!

  2. Bishop would last about 3 seconds as PM. The only person who is ‘PM material’ is MT, but I don’t think his heart’s in it anymore…..he’s realised he really is on the wrong team.

    • The problem for Malcolm is he doesn’t have a team. There is no 3rd party of the centre. He’s as removed from the lunatic right of the LNP (Bernardi, Andrews, Abetz et al) as he is from the union-dominated ALP.

      • Yup…and we all suffer as a result. Labor’s inability to evolve into a party that represents clear-thinking, progressive Australians has left us with a choice between Tea Party nut-jobs and the jobs-at-any-cost ALP (Shorten’s submarines for example…)

      • Has he (MT) a place in the senate? It would also get his cards on the table for the public to see, the waiting game does him no good in these times he must show courage or retire.

        And I hope he goes for it as there is so little talent of any bent among our so called ‘representatives’.

      • I think you’re bang on there Lorax. Those who say MT would make a good Labor leader are either running a campaign against him or ignorant.

        Seriously – a committed entrepreneur like Turnbull is hardly aligned with the CFMEU view of the world.

        Most of Oz sits in the middle. right where Malc sits. Hence his popularity and hence the the absolute sense in him becoming PM.

        He’s just the type of person we should have as PM.

        No he’s not perfect and he’ll make mistakes – but then nobody is perfect – not even hawke or keating.

        In my opinion a return of Labor right now would be a disater. if not for the budget – but for productivity and the competitiveness.

        The CFMEU & co are not even in the bullpark on the reforms we need to return this country to international competitiveness.

      • Yup…and we all suffer as a result. Labor’s inability to evolve into a party that represents clear-thinking, progressive Australians has left us with a choice between Tea Party nut-jobs and the jobs-at-any-cost ALP (Shorten’s submarines for example…)

        If you want a party, Greens. They fill the centre-left political space that Labor were in during the ’80s and ’90s.

      • The Greens, thanks for the laugh. MM said clear thinking.

        From where I stand, the Greens are the only party putting *any* thinking into policy objectives.

      • While there are Greens who are economically moderate, I don’t think that is where most of the party sits. Most Greens would share the views of the ALP left on economic matters.

        Turnbull is a social liberal with a strong environmental streak, but economically he is a moderate.

      • Look at what Gough Whitlam achieved as prime minister despite a large proportion of his own party being against him. Maybe I’,m being overly optimistic but I get the impression that Malcolm Turnbull has the charisma, intelligence, communication skills and strength of character to achieve the same within the liberal party if he is determined enough.

      • The irony is there is a huge proportion of the voting populace who is on Malcolm’s team.

        Yup, and that’s the true reveal in all this. The major parties are undemocratic monsters filled with megalomaniacs and psychopaths that have destroyed Australian democracy.

      • While there are Greens who are economically moderate, I don’t think that is where most of the party sits. Most Greens would share the views of the ALP left on economic matters.

        We’ve had thirty years of right-wing economics, and where has that gotten us ?

        A bit of centre-left economics might do some good.

        Turnbull is a social liberal with a strong environmental streak, but economically he is a moderate.

        Turnbull is an ex-GSer. That alone should be enough to put you in a state of deep, deep suspicion.

        What are these “extreme” Greens policies you’re worried about ?

      • Oz should seriously look at a social democrats party but for now Labor and LNP mirror each other, both have hollowed out support bases, lack diversity seen in society, isloated/Canberra, dependent upon media which itself merely acts a cheer squad for whatever meme they wish to support and parties follow according to their people at the top end of town…..

        Think LNP has more long term problems (vs Labor which has but should not rely on union support too much), like GOP in the US, and possibly the Tories in UK with ageing demographics and more diversity in society (as opposed to their own ageing party) they need to use grotty tactics and go for the emotions e.g. dog whistling and xenophobia to scare people into voting for them, whch in turn attacks and compromises their own future constituency…… dog chasing its tail……

        According to many rusted on Labor friends, an example of how it has become is like voting for Coca Cola or Pepsi (example used by a Tehran taxi driver to explain their choices), is that if Turnbull was leader they would vote LNP….. but LNP has gone too far in appeasing and approving of murky or hard right elements in the party and society, Turnbull would not be acceptable to the party……

        The GOP example is when budget was being blocked, McCain described his kooky conservative christian colleagues on the right of the GOP as ‘lemmings in suicide jackets’, because they only seem interested in their supposed god given rights or beliefs, even if it collapsed the govt. and state (probabaly what they want) which is why Murdoch (another born again….) and/or NewsCorp annointing leaders is tricky……. as is LNP being infuenced by too many Tea Party associated think tanks (often via an Oz think tank).

  3. KlimashkinaSydney

    couldn’t believe he did that (the knighthood).

    actually on second thought, yes I can believe he did that.

    the question is, for what purpose? why? what on earth did he hope to achieve? very weird.

      • He should’ve knighted the Queen, then… the Duke doesn’t have the power to grant knighthoods. The monarch is the source of all honours.

        The further upside is that knighting the queen would’ve been even funnier. 😉

      • @Peachy,

        Got that from the start, yet Tone has always seemed eager to please higher ups, in the desperate hope of some form of validation.

        A Title would be swell, you can be a complete moron, yet the title still raises you above the commoner.

        Maybe he can take a sojourn with the Prince to that Island where the Prince took respite and be proclaimed second in line for the throne.

        Skippy…. Now that would be befitting methinks….

    • the question is, for what purpose? why? what on earth did he hope to achieve?

      Abbott is an ideological warrior from the extreme right who is so completely removed from ordinary Australians it would have come as a complete surprise to him that anyone would have found a knighthood for Prince Philip the slightest bit odd.

      • “who is so completely removed from ordinary Australians”

        I still remember his complaints about a pay cut when Rudd got in.

    • migtronixMEMBER

      My guess is Sir Appleby was a source of admiration and seen as the apogee of public service. Probably thought he could buy off the public service…

      … Or maybe he’s trying to get another crusade going. Need Knights for that you know?

    • It’s obvious to me he is a Labor party sleeper

      LONG LONG term Labor sleeper agent

      Nothing else could explain his actions

      • There are plenty of stories about the Labor party trying to recruit him while at uni. Maybe they did? If you wanted to totally dismantle the Liberal Party, you couldn’t choose a better person.

        The other thing I have considered lately is that he may (seriously) have a mental problem. Perhaps he’s bipolar?

      • DT,

        A workmate of mine believes that he is in the first stages of dementia. This is based upon his physical behaviour and comparing it to seeing his mother in law recently go through it. I hope not because it is not something that you would wish upon anyone, or their family.

      • I did consider that, but by all accounts he was similarly unbalanced in his university days.

        He’s clearly a sociopath, but the irrational and unpredictable behaviour suggests something more.

        I’m not being flippant about this – it is a serious question. Someone with a more detailed understanding of psychiatry might be able to shed more light.

      • DT,

        Abbott certainly demonstrates sociopathic tendencies – but then again, so do most politicians.

        I don’t have a background in psychiatry, but I have some knowledge of social psychology (how human behaviour is influenced by the actual, imagined or implied presence of others) which lends itself to political psychology.

        I don’t think Abbotts behaviour reflects any type of mental disorder. More so, he very outwardly displays an Authoritarian Personality Type. These personality types are typically submissive to established authority (church, big business, monarchy), aggressive to perceived outsiders and deviants (women, homosexuals, youth, environmental groups, ethnic minorities, social media) and of course, conventional in their world view.

        Leaders with authoritarian personality types are also susceptible to Fundamental Attribution Error in times of stress. This in turn leads to irrational decision making and unpredictable behaviour. When their beliefs are under threat, they withdraw further into their ideological world, surround themselves with like-minded groups and do not listen to alternatives.

        What we are seeing with Abbott is a leader who was never meant to lead under immense pressure because his world-view is falling down around him. It was always going to be thus.

      • Hixtar, interesting.

        Ultimately, though, how did it come to this?

        How did his party Rupert misread him?

        Moreover, ought our leaders be subjected to psychological, or other, testing?

        I mean, this has been a shocking waste, the last X months.
        And it’s people’s lives he’s playing with.

      • tmarsh:

        “Moreover, ought our leaders be subjected to psychological, or other, testing?”

        This is an outstanding point, and it really boggles the mind that such testing may not be required for such key roles in society. Especially when compared to the onerous testing requirements for some jobs with relatively low level responsibilities.

        Wonder how Hitler would have fared sitting the Myers-Briggs.

      • TM,

        How did it come to this? Rupert picked the right man for him, but the wrong man for the country.

        Authoritarians are typically submissive to established authority – which is why Rupert has such huge influence over right-wing agendas (not that authoritarians are exclusively right-wing, just more typically so).

        I find it interesting that at the same time as Rupert appears to be losing his grip on his empire at the hands of a new world order of social media and an increasingly liberal western society, Abbott is losing his grip on the Prime Ministership due very much to the same reasons.

      • Slambo.
        I’m going for a new job, I don’t have a degree in this field, but I have 15 years experience executing every selection criteria.

        I have to prove I am capable.

        All most politicians are capable of, and qualified at being, are being utter f$ckwits.


        They’re a joke, and as group, an utter disgrace.

        Obvious individual examples to the contrary: Bandt, Ludlam, etc

      • How did his party Rupert misread him?

        I don’t think they did.

        I haven’t found anything Abbot has done to be particularly surprising. Nor are the policies he is pushing significantly different from the Liberals party line of a decade or more.

        He may, *at a stretch*, be the fall guy for pushing 150% policy extremes so they can get the 100% they really want (e.g.: they’ll go in trying to eliminate all penalty wages and the minimum wage, but are really just after most penalty wages and a dramatically reduced minimum wage).

        But ultimately I think the political right believe they’ve reached the the endgame, so aren’t even bothering with a facade of decency and propriety anymore.

  4. migtronixMEMBER

    At the G20? Try this time last year when he started with all the captains picks…


    • Hey Mig, that cool weather finally made it up here. Its dropped below 20C overnight for the first time in months.

      I’m with you now. Fraud!

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Ha ha. Mate the only fraud is being told I’m imagining things when all I do is cite my observations…

      • One anecdotal data point out of 7 billion and nary much more than a from of terra body lice.

        Skippy…. hence the need for many to join cults, fleshing out the the self, in want of symbolism to ward off insecurity.

      • “Says one data point out of seven billion. See how worthless your opinion is too skip?”

        Except his opinion is backed up by scientific methodology (which would not place much weight on one anecdotal piece data).

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Funny how my worthless opinion has far better predictive acuity than his “methodology’.

        How are you enjoying summer RobW?

      • I don’t use ideological thunkit to observe the Anthropogenic changes to this orb.

        I’ve stated before that climate is just one field of endeavor which provides correlation, tho there are many more. To date the anti Anthropogenic mob only derides the climate aspect, that indicates the narrowness of their approach and inability to deal with the totality of the subject.

        Skippy… kinda makes you wonder why the Koch brothers are ready to spend almost a billion [declared] on the next election.

      • “How are you enjoying summer RobW?”

        I assume you’re alluding to the lack of brutally hot days. I’ve lived in Melbourne all my life and I don’t think this is wildly out of character for Melbourne. Yes, the last few summers have felt cooler, but the winters have also felt warmer. It seems like there are less brutally hot days and less brutally cold days.

        That being said, you may have a different view and that’s totally ok. But I wouldn’t (personally) extrapolate too much anything from either of our views.

        By the way, i never said your opinion was worthless.

      • @Rob nope. He just says it is. Like you….

        Cut the crap Mig. These scientific bodies of national or international standing have issued formal statements that concur with the IPCC view.


        It is frankly ridiculous you persist with this idea that you know more than the combined knowledge of this long list of prestigious scientific organisations. Plainly you don’t, and you do yourself a disservice every time you post some idiotic anecdote about the weather in Melbourne.

      • You do yourself a bigger disservice when you point to a piece of paper when anyone can look outside the window.

        Their predictions don’t come true and you call that science? I don’t have to be smarter than all those bodies, I just have to be smarter than you and I’ll be fine!

      • Who am I to believe, every major scientific institution in the world or compulsive commenter “Migtronix” on a fringe economics blog who looked outside?

        I’m sorry, you may be a bright guy, but you’re an idiot completely lacking in common sense.

      • “You do yourself a bigger disservice when you point to a piece of paper when anyone can look outside the window.”

        But what does looking out the window really tell you about the Earth’s overall climate, Mig?

        Even if Melbourne’s weather is meaningful, why are you focusing on one season? Like i said winters are warmer here than they were when I was a kid, how come that doesn’t factor into things?

      • @Rob it tells Antarctica is getting colder. The opposite of predicted…

        Mate I’ve got idea about “warmer” winter, the wind has been insanely cold, and besides all I’m addressing is “the bushfires will be worse with every passing year” BS.

        I got to Melbourne in 09 just after the bushfires. Never been that bad again….

        But I really don’t care, you believe all the corporate bodies you want and call yourself experts.

      • “you believe all the corporate bodies you want and call yourself experts.”

        I’m in no way an expert. In fact I know nothing about physics. I find it interesting, but I can’t get my head around it That’s why I begrudgingly listen to what the majority of scientists are saying.. I know that’s not unproblematic, but neither is going to the doctor.

        “Mate I’ve got idea about “warmer” winter, the wind has been insanely cold,”

        Insanely cold? Man, I barely needed the heater on this winter. But then I love the cold. I can’t give you that stats, but I would be very surprised if the Melbourne winters are as cold as when I was a kid (30 years ago).

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Do you keep your windows open Rob? Because if you don’t the freezing wind isn’t really an issue is it? I also didn’t fire up the heater much.

        Read my words…

        BTW WTF is so hard about “physics”?

  5. Guys, I think it is terrific, Abbotts idiocy is rubbing off on Newman, and I have a good wager that Newman wont be re-elected. I should have put my house on it.WW

    • Labor must be grim in Qld when voting for the following seems like a better option;
      – stacking the ICAC panel
      – installing a magistrate as CJ
      – blackmailing electorates on election promise funding
      – an obvious return of the white shoe mentality
      – hucking $400m at a new high cost mine, when there are idle assets that could be utilized at far lower production costs
      – the kind of mentality that shuts down hospital wards at short notice – rather than suffering an immaterial increase in debt ….

      Jeez. Is labor biting the heads off puppies up there or what?

      • Oh I forgot this cracker – dumping spoil from a soon to be white elephant infrastructure project – on the country’s single greatest tourism asset.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        The best bit was saying okay, we’ll save the reef, we’ll just dump it now on the fragile wetlands.

        Stay classy, Queensland.

      • Labor haven’t been doing that ‘badly’ in the campaigning, but they haven’t sold any policy themselves – they’re just attacking Newman. This kind of strategy works okay if you have the media on-side, but most of the media still seems to endorse the LNP, even if a little hesitantly.

        Plus, they will have to make an epic comeback to get rid of the LNP, they’ve currently only got what, like 10 seats? I don’t see their current efforts as being enough to pull it off, unfortunately.

  6. Abbott and Hockey are beyond good. Each week they give the world some great backflips, and when it seems they can’t top that, Cap’n Abbott come up with captain’s picks right out of the 1950s.

  7. Fairfax is still right-handed, not left, only less so.

    I have already put aside my $1000 for promoting Julie B’s links to fighting the asbestos settlement.

    • Thank you for pointing that out.

      I don’t know why people still claim they are left. They are slightly right. Even the ABC has turned right, despite the funding cuts etc. Etc.

      The whole bloody mainstream media is on balance right leaning. How do you think Australians voted in such a PM? We think North Koreans are brainwashed, hah.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Yep. That Simkin fella helped swing the ABC behind Abbott before the last election. Then jumped over for a job with the idiot.

        Bet he’s regretting that move. Sucked in.

  8. General Disarray

    It’s been obvious to anyone with eyes that Mr Abbott is simply not PM material since his disastrous appearances at the G20.

    It’s appalling it took some so long. Anyone with a grip on reality was shouting he wasn’t PM material when he was opposition leader.

    • He was voted in on an anyone but Kev platform, and will be voted out on an anyone but Tony platform (either by his peers or the public).

      Aus politics is kinda sad atm.

  9. What I would really like to know is Abbott still an English Citizen?

    He certainly acts like he is.

    • If he is a British citizen, what role is he serving?

      Is it he who keeps Shane Watson in the test team?

      • If he is a dual national he is illegally sitting in parliament.
        A search of the records can find no documentation that he has ever relinquished his UK citizen ship.

  10. “What do we do about Tony?”

    That’s the question the party room will be asking the day AFTER he is replaced by Bishop.

    Do they keep him in a Cabinet job ( better inside the tent pissing outward ) or send him into exile on the backbench where he becomes a mouthpiece of dissent.

    Foreign Affairs has been a popular place to stick former leaders (Hayden/Peacock/Downer/) but given that Abbott is an international laughing stock thanks to multiple gaffs that hardly seems a good idea.

    My guess is that Immigration might be a good place to stick him. The Australian public seems to approve of a callous streak and disregard for economic efficiency in our Immigration policy makers so it might be just right for the boy in the budgie smugglers.

    It all depends on how much noise he makes on the way out the door I guess.

    • In no order of preference is what I think would provide us all Champagne Comedy for many months.

      1. Minister for the Environment. “What’s an Environment?” Strains of Lagwagon’s Bombs Away are hitting my brain, with the chorus changed to Frack Away.
      2. Minister for Climate Change. “It’s the Climate, STUPIDZ.”
      3. Minister for Communications “What’s a ‘digital’? Pass me the decadic dialler!”
      4. Minister for the Arts: Ho, ho, just joking.
      5. Defense: Let’s build aircraft carriers.
      6: Minister for Sport: I could half take him SRSLY here.

      What could go wrong.


  11. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Tony should be careful not to go too far back in times as he may uncover the litany of our history’s lies.
    There was the first settlement near Darwin late 1600s not Sydney which was never primarily a convict settlement anyhow. The Dutch plates and plaques put all over claiming New Holland only one of which was ever found ( by a European). Captain Cook although a nice guy given Dutch maps to look for the great south land south of New Holland and transit of Venus went back to England professing to be a failure was told to shut up as sponsorship money for the next voyage would be in jeopardy.
    Rumor has it Tony’s want for a knighthood inspired the latest episode

    • Ah Boom, a interesting little burst of history, have you read of the plans of the Spanish to invade Sydney in 1793. WW

      • Please do share WW

        I despair somewhat

        We might be eating delightful Pyreneean tapas (at delightful Spanish rates, not Movida tapas rates) and have a half decent wack of tennis players and cyclists (don’t mention golf).

  12. “That was before the baffling decision to deliver Prince Phillip a knighthood, which appears to have crystallized global Abbott ridicule”

    Don’t Captain Straya hold dual citizenship, with mother England ?

    If so he would be eligible to hold honors as bestowed under the British honors system would be not.

    Me thinks this is his end game and the Philip knighthood is a suck up ploy.

    • Yes. An escape plan for when his duel citizenship comes to light an he is asked to pay back years of taxpayer milk.

      He would quickly find himself an asylum seeker on a boat back to the UK.

  13. boomengineeringMEMBER

    No I will look it up.
    50 ships of different nationalities came to Aust before Cook even Dampier who was considered by his English peers a lower socio economic class not worthy of consideration ( a bit of a pirate).
    The settlement near Darwin has been totally erased to get rid of the evidence, they were there for 15 years then went back. Before Cook arrived there were about 500 Dutchmen living in Aust.
    In Auckland NZ a Portuguese helmet was found predating everyone.The museum hid it away and told no one.
    Along the east coast European cannon have been found and (my friends) divers ignored or told to shut up.

  14. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Sydney was set up as a naval base on the pretext of a penal colony (although no other countries believed this) because they had just lost the war in America.and needed a Pacific naval base.
    Imagine today spending billions of dollars to send Parramatta inmates to Mars. citing not enough room.

    • Thanks, good research. Cook indeed noted the military advantages of all ports he visited on his journey to Australia, and the pros and cons of Port Botany as a naval base.
      There was a sinker dredged up in the sand of a sand mining operation on Fraser Island.
      An XRF scan of the metal showed it came from historic mines in China.WW

  15. boomengineeringMEMBER

    The problem with artifacts is they could have been left there any time like the Aztec relics found at Dee Why Sydney.
    Before Cook the Dutch taught the aboriginals how to cultivate
    East coast of Australia is where the cannon were found (previous post )