Kiev placates as separatism spreads


From the FT:

Western governments struggled to present a united front to Moscow over the crisis in eastern Ukraine as pro-Russia separatists seized further government buildings in cities and towns in the region and defied a deadline from Kiev to surrender.

Oleksandr Turchynov, Ukraine’s acting president, appealed to Ban Ki-moon, UN secretary-general, to deploy peacekeepers to the region a day after his government promised to take military action against the separatists.

In an attempt to placate anti-Kiev sentiment, and in a markedly more conciliatory line than on Sunday, he also said the authorities were “not against holding a referendum” to allow residents of the east a say in determining the country’s fate.

His offer came as pro-Russian demonstrators refused to leave government buildings from up to 10 cities and towns in eastern Ukraine despite the government’s threat to deploy the military against them.

EU foreign ministers met in Luxembourg to discuss possible economic sanctions against Russia but did not impose punitive measures. Germany, Italy and Spain did not want to antagonise Moscow ahead of Thursday’s meeting in Geneva between Ukrainian, Russian, EU and US foreign ministers.

Ukraine is being dismembered and Europe won’t do squat lest it risk the flow of Russian gas. Only the Ukrainians can force the issue but they’ll have to die to do it.

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  1. migtronixMEMBER

    It was America’s fault! They were fomenting and supplying the fascist looneys knowing perfectly well there was no exist strategy and that once tensions were high there was no other solution than breaking up.

    My hunch is they’re trying to keep the Russians busy on their borders while they go into Africa/South America in an attempt to contain China. Which won’t work either.

    • migtronixMEMBER

      The contractors were interested in jobs and he wasn’t pulling any punches. “The eighteen months or so that I’ve been here, we’ve been at war the whole time,” Cook told them. “We are trying to provide opportunities for the African people to fix their own African challenges. Now, unfortunately, operations in Libya, South Sudan, and Mali, over the last two years, have proven there’s always something going on in Africa.”

    • America has no interest in getting involved in the Ukraine. It had nothing directly to do with recent events. The only reason Ukraine is not part of NATO is because NATO wanted to be nice to Russia and not bring a heartland Slav state directly into NATO. Wasn’t that a mistake in retrospect.

      Your final paragraph about Africa and South America is completely deluded. Stick to coffeee and leave the blue pills for Saturday night fun.

      Russian propanganda is running on steroids.

      The one thing this situation has shown – is that no country will ever give up nuclear weapons again.

      Kiev should cut the east lose and leave the rust belt and it’s massive pollution problems to Russia to deal with.

      • That’s hard to believe given how NATO has been creeping closer and closer to Russia over time even though they said they wouldn’t.

        And there is also the audio recording, not refuted, about how the U.S. has spent about $5 billion to advance their interests in Ukraine.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Stick to pointless diatribe in a couple of weeks I’ll have more links that show you to be 100% wrong.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        If you’re one of the detainees, you say, ‘Now they can spy on my lawyers, and spy on someone on the lawyers’ team and get information on the lawyer, how can I possibly trust the lawyer, or any lawyers?’ That’s a valid question,” Harrington said.

        Real paragon of freedom the US.

      • Not to mention the leaked recording of the phone call between the Estonian FM and the EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, viz. (hired) snipers shooting both protestors and police on Kyiv’s Independence Square.

        Classic CIA strategy.

    • Some insight from former Czech president Vaclav Klaus

      1. The Ukraine is in its present form into a great extent an artificial entity that did not turn into an independent state until the break-up of the Soviet Union two decades ago.

      2. On one hand, it includes territories in the west that had never belonged to the Russian empire (Transcarpathian region, Galicia and others) and became part of Russia only after WW2, and on the other hand territories that were from the 18th century purely Russian (Crimea, Odessa, the Eastern part of the country), for which the independence of the Ukraine meant the extraction from their original nation.

      3. A certain artificiality of this state and the different perceptions of its inhabitants when it came to its future orientation have paralyzed its political life from the very beginning. It was very visible also from Prague. Another thing was the unsuccessful transformation of the country, the burdensome heritage of communism, as well as the economic and political chaos of the last 20 years.

      4. The Ukraine has remained – and had to remain – a country economically deeply rooted in the post-Soviet bloc, a country linked to Russia and in many respects dependent on it. That is natural and there is no easy way to change it.

      5. For Russia, the Ukraine is more than just its closest foreign country, more than e.g. Estonia, Tajikistan or Azerbaijan. It is the historic cradle of its statehood and culture, home to tens of millions of Russians.

      6. Taking all this into account, the idea of some people in Europe – mainly of political activists but as it seems also of the highest representatives of the EU and the Czech Republic – that we can allow a clash about the future of the Ukraine and lead a fight about its orientation towards West or East ignores reality. It leads the country into an insolvable conflict that cannot have but a tragic ending.

      7. Keeping the Ukraine in its objectively existing geopolitical situation as an independent and at the same time functioning and prosperous state asks in the long term for a large degree of restraint and diplomatic skill both on the side of its politicians and of its partners abroad. What we are currently witnessing on both sides is unfortunately just the opposite.

      8. It is very irresponsible from the West to nurture the ambitions and illusions of radicals from Western Ukraine that there really is a choice between East and West and that the EU and the US can not only support the Ukraine as an entity in its direction towards the West, but can guarantee it in the long run. Such a clear and firm interest on the side of the West is in reality missing and so is the willingness to carry the costs. The West helped to start a crisis that it in fact does not want and the consequences of which it is not prepared to bear.

      9. Giving the Ukraine a choice between East or West means breaking it. This is, unfortunately, what seems to be happening.

      10. It also seems that most of those involved begin to realize this. The question is whether it is not too late. The belief that this problem can be solved by new elections is an illusion.

      Václav Klaus, Jiří Weigl, February 21, 2014.

    • rob barrattMEMBER

      A tendency to rise in the Western regions due to an impending shortage of building space, somewhat offset by the expense required to install napalm-proof roof batts (could be an opportunity for us here)…

  2. Ronin8317MEMBER

    The current government in Ukraine is not elected, so if the Ukrainian is to die, they will be dying for a Western backed puppet regime. The previous president was a Russian backed puppet, however at least he won an election.

    From the US point of view, causing trouble in Ukraine is a cheap and painless way to bog down Russia. If any blood is to be spilled, it’ll be the Ukrainian who have to pay, that’s the beauty of a proxy war.

    • From what I’ve read the previous president was leaning to the EU until he read the fine print of what they were offering and decided he would not be able to stay in power if he implemented the austerity measures they wanted.

      Which they are now tying to implement anyway with the new government. Got to save the banks at any cost is the mantra.

  3. Partition was inevitable once the old pro-russian president was ousted given that about 1/3 the country is majority Russian.

    The only questions are where the border will be and whether West Ukraine will maintain access to a warm water port, given the ethnic Russian presence in South West and Crimea.

  4. Russia and sympathisers sound both deluded and paranoid re. NATO/EU/USA conspiracy over Ukraine, while ignoring fact that Putin is a thug, who also has his eye on showing his autocratic credentials to his own constituency.

    Like Russia Today, keep viewing the world as us and them through one’s own propaganda, then one starts to believe it…..

    • migtronixMEMBER

      Re: Barroso/Cameron/brennan/Hollande/et al are thugs, who also have an eye on showing their technocratic side to the powers that be.

      Like NewsCorp, keep viewing the world as us and them through one’s own propaganda [no such thing actually], then one starts to regurgitate it…