Bomb Honiara

Since nobody wants to discuss anything or merit in this election campaign then let’s examine just how bad things really are.

The Solomon Islands just signed its China military deal:

The federal government has declared it is “deeply disappointed” that Solomon Islands has pressed ahead and signed a security pact with China – a deal Australia, New Zealand and the US fear could open the door to a Chinese naval base in the South Pacific.

China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin announced the agreement in Beijing on Tuesday evening, saying it would involve China cooperating with Honiara on maintaining social order, protecting people’s safety, aid, combating natural disasters and helping safeguard national security.

Solomon Islands Foreign Affairs Minister Jeremiah Manele confirmed the signing of the pact to the ABC in a text message.

Whatever “Psycho” Morrison has been doing, which ain’t bloody much, it has failed spectacularly.

Australia now has no choice. It must force the deal to be retracted or it must force the Sogavare Government out of power.

No Chinese base can be allowed to commence construction in the Solomon Islands. It is a clear and present threat to Australian sovereignty and freedom.

Once construction starts, to prevent it is war with China.

Once it is completed, it will be a stationary aircraft carrier with a gun permanently at Canberra’s and Wellington’s heads. This will change our entire region as tin-pot dictators beholden to China take power wherever they dare.

Whatever it takes now to prevent this outcome must happen. Either we undertake to destabilise the islands politically using whatever means necessary or we openly bomb Honiara into submission.

A smoking crater to Australia’s north is not what anybody wants but it’s transparently preferable to a weaponised Chinese satrap that all but ends Australian freedom.

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  1. Wow, Russia’s bad because they’re doing what you say Australia should do!

    It’s all a bit late, our gov should have paid more attention to nearest neighbours instead of taking them for granted, so now we may have a PLA Navy CV anchored on our doorstep; wonderful.

      • The Mainstream Media, is painting Russia as the bad guy, and Ukraine as the Good guy. War is never that simple. This war sounds a bit like the Russian/Finnish War of 1939 which went for almost 4mons.

        • You are correct, there is no rational debate on this. What should be debated is how to counteract the CCP that has undeniably paid politicians in the Solomon Islands and given inducements to politicians here. My offer is to say when the Aussie peacekeepers went to the Solomons they should have supported the demonstrators who were looking for justice in their country just like we are here. We cannot even get an ICAC, bring the troops in and set up a tribunal to prosecute treasonous pollies.

    • Macrobusiness never called out Russia for what they did/are doing although felt sorry for the Ukraine people.
      Russians are ORCS, there isn’t anything else you can call them.

      MB did say that Ukraine has no geopolitical power to get direct help. Although, I see less for Australia as well with this base going up.

      Who says the American’s keep going down the path of integrating their military with us. They must be assessing other options and they must be on the table now or at least considered.

      • Yep the whole Western world coalescing around Ukraine is a big positive. Had that not happened – Australia would very likely be a vassal state of China in the next 2 decades. Still a possibility it could happen now with the SI force but at least it gives us a hope that EU countries will step up against China if Australia was attacked.

  2. This place won’t wake up until it’s too late, which it probably now is. And we are about to elect a PM who is as left as there ever was.

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        We have some (we’re meant to get 72 (?), but how many delivered?) underwhelming F-35 fighter jets but apparently for every flying hour they have to have 50 (?) hours on the ground. So, the answer to your question is: “we have bombers when you’re not having bombers”.

      • Thought you’d have shown a picture of a Canberra bomber rather than a Lancaster. Would be more appropriate for your view.

        Quite clear the PM up there got a kickback, now he’s going to use chinese shock troops to quell any political disturbances, but risk of a civil war seems high from what I can see. I dont think the average Solomon Islander has much love of the Chinese. That’s what shoild be bring exploited…

      • Because we dont own any major deterrents and our defense force is only 25K people.

        Deterrants
        – Nukes
        – Missile defense shields
        – Aircraft carriers
        – Nuke subs with nuke missiles

        What we have
        – 2 to 4 operational diesel subs
        – A few boats
        – A few helicopters
        – A few jets
        – A small but elite special forces
        – Dad’s army.

        • Jumping jack flash

          On the off chance that we are suckered into fighting a US proxy war against China then we will very likely be given all the best weapons and training.

          This is pretty much what is presently happening with their efforts against Russia in Ukraine.

      • We can, it’s the know nothing pearl clutchers who think we can’t.

        We still have the 10th-12th largest military budget in the world, we do not have a feeble military.

        What we can’t do is project very far, and no civilised society worth their salt wants to dedicate their national revenue on this type of military build up. We also have vulnerable strategic points all over the shop mind you, and the US purpose in our defence strategy is for them to relieve these strategic points.

        But the greatest defence we have is our location. No matter how quantitatively small our military is, no one can transport a force big enough to confront it to our shores.

        • We don’t have any platforms that can load up some air-to-surface missiles and bomb the govt in the Solomans Islands. This what frustrates me.

          • Well, against the solomons we do…

            Our long ranged manned platforms are at risk because off the vulnerability of refueling…

            The Solomons don’t present a risk to our refueling capabilities.

            I mean I’ve always considered the B1 should have replaced the F111… but if not that, keepin some F-18F’s for this purpose… I believe we have some 18F’s rejigged as EA’s?

            Dunno what they’re capable of now

          • Yeah like always, we need to jerry up a F-18 with external fuel tanks to do something it really isn’t designed to do because of the failures in Canberra.

        • They dont need to confront our shores, they just need to eliminate all critical infrastructure with missiles and bombs delivered by the multitude of military platforms they have and we dont. Bomb and hack the heck out of Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane infrastructure and you have incapacitated 70% of Australia. On the flipside, our massive coastline means capitals are much harder to defend with such a small military arsenal. Choke fuel supplies out of Singapore and Australian mobility and supply chains shuts down. Bomb coal and gas elec gen plants, the grid goes down.

          The old cockies with their biodiesel, guns and food growing abilities would be the only thing keeping the joint afloat in a crisis.

          • War Plans 101
            China Nukes Brisbane Sydney Melbourne.
            Leave the Coal and Iron Ore export Terminals, Rail Lines, Gas Liquification plants alone.

            USA sees China is going to stroll into Oz and get all those fine resources and infrastructure…. I dont think so …. USA takes em all out …. we wont know as a heap of us will be or going to be dead.

          • They dont need to confront our shores, they just need to eliminate all critical infrastructure with missiles and bombs delivered by the multitude of military platforms they have and we dont.

            Then you went off on a bit of a tangent by raising things like

            “– A small but elite special forces
            – Dad’s army.”

            If you’re not envisaging them coming to our soil, then our ground forces aren’t relevant.

            So, that leaves us what is relevant, and Australia has for the most part the appropriate platforms, there has been a lull of maritime strike while the UAV stuff gets sorted and the F35 doesn’t really have the sufficient legs… but then again, the SI changes things.

            The distance from Honiara to Brisbane is 2,100km, the interdiction range of a J-16 is 1,800km… else they’re left with the 1950’s tech H-6. There is no air superiority threat, and it reduces greatly, which I will expand on later.

            Australia’s number one platform need is submarines. Ignore the muppets, the Collins has been a very good platform, bar the first in the class built in Sweden. it is still capable in the 3rd decade of the 21st century. It, and it alone, was what was tipped Indonesia against even consider going hot against INTERFET.

            Now we may have a crew problem,….. in peace time… while the opportunities abound elsewhere for personnel… but we’re not going to have problems manning our subs if things even get warm. They will be called back.

            The same as the RAAF, a huge number of Australian born pilots will be called back, they have to as officers.

            Back to the Subs.. you think Australia has choke points. 3 subs will starve out the entire Solomons, including any Chinese garrison.

            So now we’re left with a tactical missile threat, and a missile threat alone.

            Air power can’t win a war alone, we are even seeing the air and missile strikes into Ukrainian cities is having an understated impact on their war-waging abilities.

            This doctrine has never failed to realise itself as a truism, including as of April 2022.

            Bomb and hack the heck out of Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane infrastructure and you have incapacitated 70% of Australia.

            You have made a bunch of civilians homeless. There is no food production here, all the railways and roads can bypass them, none of the electricity production is here. Melbourne is likely to be out of range,

            So if the crucial stuff is built in Lithgow, Melbourne Adelaide and Perth, where’s the crisis?

            it will be a MAJOR cause of unrest admittedly, but unless the RAN is caught with its pants down at Garden Island, and the RAAF at Amberley, I will assert your thesis is overstated.

            But again, missiles in Ukraine when they border each other aren’t doing the trick, a 2,000km gap is not going to make things easier for the Chinese.

            On the flipside, our massive coastline means capitals are much harder to defend with such a small military arsenal.

            So are we being invaded or not? Think we should garrison a brigade in Adelaide against Seaborne invasion?

            We know where threats can only come from, AND we know the maximum number of troops which can be disembarked, our army is fine. There is a reason why our priority platform is subs, then maritime strike, then air superiority, and we’ve had world leading platforms here for 25+ years.

            Choke fuel supplies out of Singapore and Australian mobility and supply chains shuts down. Bomb coal and gas elec gen plants, the grid goes down.

            Now you’re getting to our strategic weaknesses, which I alluded to.

            The elimination of fuels processing on shore is a greater weakness to us, than virtually all poor military purchase decisions combined. I’m not defending that, but a PLAN/PLAAF presence in Honiara isn’t a factor here. It’s a bad decision regardless.

          • Something to think about is the increasing capacity for residential solar generation and storage of electricity, that must be a game changer. Add to that all the storage of fuel in service stations around the country that can be commandeered or reserved for military and essential services then things may not be as dire as you imagine. Covid restrictions have already educated society on how to live without travel and supply of goods and services.

  3. Lets not forget they may vote Sogavare out & the next government abandon the agreement. However you would think that Sogavare is doing this to increase his control so we can expect more negative changes to SI laws & democracy to remove his opposition. We knew the Chinese were buying votes https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/chinese-money-used-to-sway-mp-votes-for-solomon-islands-prime-minister-manasseh-sogavare/news-story/dd003f3f2b518c305ef10bf4c89f1b70) & we should have been focused on this. No doubt it is also happening in other indo pacific nations, China has used this method before eg Tibet. The next step will be changes that empower Sogavare, which will cause protests by opposition, if not another riot, then Chinese police arrive, & then Chinese soldiers Instead of ANZAC soldiers will be invited only they will never leave, instead numbers & facilities will slowly grow little by little, one thing never enough to cause pushback, as on the reefs of the SCS. Hopefully the opposition can survive Sogavare who is now on the road to erase democracy & the opposition.

    • The advantage Australia has is that we have at least some understanding of the machinations of SI tribalism and can engineer a coup quite easily but now, the SI government could call in the Chinese to help so it makes things very complicated.

  4. TailorTrashMEMBER

    Now the deal is signed ….how long before the PLA
    garrison arrives …..to protect Mr Soggy ?

  5. happy valleyMEMBER

    The Australian “”puppy dog” is invariably said to be the 51st state of the US – maybe for our own good, we should make that reality and fast?

    But maybe that has been the “fiendish” plan of the LNP all along when it has been turning a blind eye to our Pacific “Family” neighbours?

    At last an announcement of an announcement for a plan for a real plan.

    • Charles MartinMEMBER

      Surely the house prices in the SI will increase when the Chinese money starts flowing in.

  6. Diogenes the CynicMEMBER

    “I don’t hold the pen mate!” Surely Scomo should commission a review into this?
    Worst Federal government of my lifetime.

  7. Anthony RogersMEMBER

    Can we invade New Zealand while we’re at it? They have some very valuable houses we could plunder

  8. I sold this position to my almost retired father on Monday and he couldn’t stomach it lol

  9. I’m not sure why this grotesque foreign policy failure isnt the main talking point about the election.

  10. Ronin8317MEMBER

    A Chinese base in the Solomon Islands means Australia cannot take part if US and China goes to war, and Australia’s importance is downgraded from ‘ally’ to ‘liability’. Without the protection umbrella of the USA, our alternative is.. China. This is a big deal. We might as well replace the Union Jack on the Australian flag with the Chinese Five Star flag.

    ScoMo is treating expert opinions on national security risk in a similar way as scientists on global warming.

  11. Australia now has no choice.
    You always have choices but the choices available to us now are choices which no one wants to make.
    Looks like we get to measure Scotty’s mettle, hard to believe he has what it takes, but who knows maybe we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.
    If Sogavare refuses to listen, then it’s time for decisive action, there’s no wiggle room here, Australia simply needs to put on its big-boy pants.

    • Do 95% of voters even realise this is an issue though, isn’t that the point H&H is trying to make with the trans stuff?

  12. Seldon PlanMEMBER

    The CCP have orchestrated this deal perfectly and the timing of the announcement for maximum political damage to the LNP. Just think, if they can sign this deal when they like to inflict political damage during an Australian election (ie at a time of their choosing) then it is highly likely that they are also quite well advanced in other strategic developments throughout the region. The groundwork for CCP South Pacific regional dominance is well established. Australia itself (politicians and business leaders) all took the CCP bribe until recently, what chance do smaller countries have, where corruption is more open and common place, against the CCP check book?

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      What does Rudd,Keating,Carr ,Brumby and others in the lets be friends with China club think of this ……..they seem a tad quiet

    • Jumping jack flash

      The fact is our glorious “leaders” who are so capable, determined and concentrated on the task of leading this fine country are ridiculously outplayed when it comes to facing up against an actual leader who has a modicum of strategy.

      All this sabre-rattling our leaders have mouthed off with over the past few years (very likely at the request of the US or for just for show) has resulted in this. A big pile of effyou from Xi.

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      Well, Murdoch always wanted to get in to China – a masterstroke being in Straya, China’s great southern colony.

  13. ”Once construction starts, to prevent it is war with China.”
    Bombing the Solomons will probably have the same outcome now given the deal has been made. Let’s face it, for all the posturing over national security this government has few clues. It’s also shining a light on some of the flaws in spending over 170 billion (current estimate) on 8 nuclear subs we wont see for many years.

    • I see it more as the end of a critical Poker hand.
      China has a decent hand and China has called Australia, we now get to see what cards Australia is holding.
      If Australia simply folds, well that’s that we move on to the next round with an opponent who is substantially strengthened by winning the last hand and in control of the game.
      Australia either has the cards or it needs to end the game in an unexpected manner. We only have this option available for this round, make no mistake about it, if Australia loses this round we won’t be able to win the next round by simply closing out the game.
      Tick Tock Tick Tock Scotty it’s time for action.

      • Supporting a regime change is the most likely approach but, that will drive Sogavare towards the CCP even more. I agree we’ve left it a bit late to play our cards but, playing them now brings greater risk.

        • I wasn’t suggesting that we leave Sogavare with the option to drive anywhere.
          He has already made his choice he can’t be so silly as to not understand the consequences of this choice, if he is this silly then he’s even more dangerous. The region will respect our need for immediate decisive action if we make it now and follow through with the necessary policy changes and support structures.
          We don’t get a second chance to play this hand, the US won’t give us a second chance, China won’t give us a second chance and the neighboring Pacific nations won’t give us a second chance.

          • And if China decides to observe the conditions of their new agreement and respond when asked to? You ready for an all out war mate?

          • You ready for an all out war mate?
            No, but we’re way more ready today than we’ll be in two to three years when China has a fully functional military base in the Solomon’s.
            Are you willing to bet that we can build up our Military presence / capability faster than China.
            That’d be a disastrous bet based on recent history with Chinese military Island building.
            We need to take this action and the US needs to understand and fully support our action….China needs to do what China needs to do.

          • A fully functioning naval base takes a while to build. The US is stepping up to the plate now and I am sure some $$ will be poured into either turning the SI government away from the CCP or changing it. We’re in this pickle because our government pulled billions out of foreign aid and the CCP has simply stepped into the void and is pretty much paying politicians like Sogavare. If Sogavare plays his cards well, he might get a better deal from the US (If not my money is on him getting bumped off). So we can keep the “big boy” pants in the closet for a bit longer and perhaps start rethinking our plans for national security and defence.

          • So you want the US to bail out Australia.
            Are we honestly that incompetent? Seriously it’s the Solomon Islands we’re talking about, not PNG, not Fiji, not NZ, it’s the F’ing Solomon’s.
            It’s happening in our sector to our cousins. it’s our job to fix this mess. But we don’t fix it, instead we let them pick up bad habits from their new Chinese masters and spit on us…F#ck that sh!t.
            I personally don’t want the US to step-up-to-the-plate because that action comes with its own consequences.
            Will Fiji ever negotiate with Australia again if it knows who really pulls the local strings, they’re not stupid, all Pacific islands will be watching and making decisions about just whose opinions matter and whose opinions they can afford to ignore.
            This is our problem, where’s our leader!

          • ”So you want the US to bail out Australia.
            No, I am making the observation they have already started. I posted this link above but here it is again. Key interview starts about 10 minutes in. https://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2208V077S00

            ”Are we honestly that incompetent? Seriously it’s the Solomon Islands we’re talking about, not PNG, not Fiji, not NZ, it’s the F’ing Solomon’s.”
            Unfortunately the government we now have is the most incompetent government in our history. Because of that the US will now do the job ours should have done.

            ”I personally don’t want the US to step-up-to-the-plate because that action comes with its own consequences.
            Will Fiji ever negotiate with Australia again if it knows who really pulls the local strings, they’re not stupid, all Pacific islands will be watching and making decisions about just whose opinions matter and whose opinions they can afford to ignore..”

            Absolutely but, it’s too late now. Little point of projecting power over great distances with nuclear subs if you cant protect your own back yard. The US knows that and they’re probably scratching their heads at how our government let this happen. So they’re establishing their own embassies and not relying on us to take on the mantle of regional leadership. The ineptitude of our government has effectively sidelined us.

            ”This is our problem, where’s our leader!”
            I think Smithy nailed it.

          • I guess I’m just not there yet, I don’t write Australia off before the first punch is even thrown.
            But you’re probably right, we probably are as incompetent as we appear, our leaders “don’t hold the hose”
            That say’s it all, but maybe we can change… if we can’t change than no one has a use for us anyway, the US won’t waste their own servicemen’s lives protecting the F’ing useless. China won’t waste their time on us either if we’re that F’ing useless.
            A sad commentary on a once great nation.

  14. I think we have to bribe not bomb. If they offered each SI MP $40K to support Soggy, we should offer $50K if they will oppose any actual Chinese base being built. It’ll be expensive but there’s no choice. We’ll have to proactively do this not just in SI but wherever the CCP might want to establish a base to cut off Aus and NZ, e.g. PNG. Granted, it’ll be hard to out bribe the CCCP, so we may have to offer something they can’t – the opportunity to live and work in a first world (for now at least), semi-functioning democracy. If we need to, establish a PR scheme where people from SI / PNG can move to the Top End of Australia to help build it up – that should help with defence as well. Also, give them a truckload of development aid. The Murdross & Cuckstello media may even get behind it. Call it a Marshall Plan for the Pacific. Although I realise that not everyone on this forum will like the idea – understand as population growth is destroying amenity in cities. But don’t really see bombing as an option.

    • Agree – the only violent action worth considering is a targeted elimination of the key threats. Bombing destroys any good will and currency with the people of the SI. Best if any consequence can also look like an accident.

      • The bribe is not working. Sogavare is a cunning stunt prepared to play us all off regardless of being played by the CCP himself.

        What does he care if Beijing makes him tin put dicator SI?

        Bomb his arse.

        • bolstroodMEMBER

          It is either a massive clusterf#ck by Morrison or a very cunning plan to get the Yanks to do the heavy lifting.
          If the yanks won’t, we can’t.
          So looking at things realisticly, as the Chinese bloke says
          “China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin announced the agreement in Beijing on Tuesday evening, saying it would involve China cooperating with Honiara on maintaining social order, protecting people’s safety, aid, combating natural disasters and helping safeguard national security.”
          Maybe we should ask for some of that, and go gently into the night.
          Given the worlds reluctance to move away from fossil fuels our time on planet Earth is very limited, so why waste it fighting and killing.

        • We never bribed the individual, we bribed with foreign aid which didn’t line the right pockets. As for bombing, no, there are much more subtle yet effective ways to get rid of someone without levelling city blocks. The Chinese would simply up the anti if we bombed, it would escalate faster than we are prepared to deal with.

  15. Jumping jack flash

    Interesting.

    The coming US/NATO proxy war against China is going to include Australia too, by the looks of it.
    At this stage it looks like Taiwan and Japan will join us.

    On the plus side, we will probably be given a ton of free money and weapons to fight with, so no longer will we wring our hands and moan and fret about our national security and those missing submarines…

    No need to worry chaps. I’m sure the US will have our back though.
    Their current war against Russia seems to be going swimmingly, am I right?

  16. Surely Australia just didn’t bribe enough.

    Definitely regime change. Maybe an accident. Or a spot of local insurrection.

    The people of SI will love having the Chinese around when they start systematically over fishing their waters.

    • The Islanders want their country back now. Only the Pollies are benefiting from this and anyway they don’t fish.

  17. Wow really time for a chill pill, and megophones put well away from amateur hands.

    The Solimons are an econimic basket case, and only a country in the loosest sense of the word.

    Having said that, the Australian Government has completely fucked it up for the moment.
    Quiet work on Mailita will do the job if we are smart and discrete.
    I am quite confident that most of the people in the Solomons only let the Chinese in because they taste good.